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#1 ironlegs

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 03:36

I would like to see an option for buying Common Frag Stashes under the loyalty section as i am sure other players would spend loyalty tokens on frag stashes rather than trying to figure out what to spend them on.

Please let me know what other folks think about this and feel free to add your 2 cents worth. Thanks 



#2 Pardoux

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 03:56

I would like to see an option for buying Common Frag Stashes under the loyalty section as i am sure other players would spend loyalty tokens on frag stashes rather than trying to figure out what to spend them on.

Please let me know what other folks think about this and feel free to add your 2 cents worth. Thanks 

 

Even though I'm a composer, I'd say no to this ...

 

There are plenty of options for getting frags already.

 

Farming them yourself, doing any global events, paying someone to farm for you ...


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Posted 24 January 2015 - 04:34

Even tho there is other options Pardoux, why not one where you can purchase directly?

 

I can't see any harm, and Im not a composer either... but I see the struggle of a fellow guildmate * waves to sqiz* trying to balance work, RL & sword with time, and I know how hard that balancing act is.

 

Making an option where you can purchase with loyalty  tokens helps support the game AND the player.

 

Just my 2 cents anyway

 

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#4 BadPenny

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:39

I have to agree with Pardoux on this one.  I'm no big composer, but I do grind out my levels, and make a few potions for my personal use.  Although I can make potions for my guild, I usually don't, but it's not the commons that are an obstacle for me, it's actually rares, but mostly, it's the gold.... I go through massive amounts of gold just for my meager composing.  Although it would be nice to get something different with my loyalty tokens, I would much rather have a bigger TH during my hunt, because I have never felt the need to sink my gold... I AM a gold sink... and I need the gold...    Also, BigGrim has proposed adding a larger FI to the loyalty potion family.  I didn't really see how larger than 1K is necessary, but in reading this, now I do.  I do understand that many have time considerations.... but I don't think loyalty is the spot for frag stashes anyway.  If they were available to be bought at all, they should be like specials in the AH, and possibly show up in the bazaar, and they should definitely be bound....  no one should profit from these....


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#5 vlkfenrir

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:53

I am nowhere near high lvls in composing but I try to create pots regularly so...

 

From personal point of view that would be cool but...

 

As Pardoux and Penny said this would mess up with the - in my opinion - quite well working system that is in place now.

 

Well perhaps if the amount per day was limited somehow (just a blind shot - 100 frags) it could possibly work.

Just a random idea.



#6 hades8840

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 12:36

having people farm frags is a income for them so i say no



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 14:12

I don't understand why composing consumes Common frags mostly while the original idea purpose was to sink Unique,Legendary and Super elite items to get them valued again ...

 

would be Better if breaking LE or SE would give some lower tier frags


Edited by shindrak, 24 January 2015 - 14:14.


#8 BadPenny

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 17:03

I don't understand why composing consumes Common frags mostly while the original idea purpose was to sink Unique,Legendary and Super elite items to get them valued again ...

 

would be Better if breaking LE or SE would give some lower tier frags

LEVELING your composing is where all the commons go.  With my personal use pots, I use almost as many rares and  uniques as I do commons, plus a goodly amount of LE/SE frags.  The frag usage was recently reworked, iirc when they added the new levels and new pots to the mix last month.  Those bigger potions do use up the other frags... and when you combine skills like I do for personal use, you use up a lot of *other* frags besides commons.  You guys gotta remember though, that composing is still a relatively new thing around here, compared to many other things, and as such there will be growing pains, as the cow gods adjust them to our needs and wants, which vary depending on who you ask.  I'm just small fry on the composing field, halfway to level 13.  But I have seen that changes are gradually being made.  I know there are flaws in the composing system, but our feedback helps them to adjust and make these gradual changes.  If we are patient and let the powers that be know what is needed, I'm sure it will eventually balance out the way it should.  


Edited by BadPenny, 24 January 2015 - 17:04.

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#9 shindrak

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 23:21

LEVELING your composing is where all the commons go.  With my personal use pots, I use almost as many rares and  uniques as I do commons, plus a goodly amount of LE/SE frags.  The frag usage was recently reworked, iirc when they added the new levels and new pots to the mix last month.  Those bigger potions do use up the other frags... and when you combine skills like I do for personal use, you use up a lot of *other* frags besides commons.  You guys gotta remember though, that composing is still a relatively new thing around here, compared to many other things, and as such there will be growing pains, as the cow gods adjust them to our needs and wants, which vary depending on who you ask.  I'm just small fry on the composing field, halfway to level 13.  But I have seen that changes are gradually being made.  I know there are flaws in the composing system, but our feedback helps them to adjust and make these gradual changes.  If we are patient and let the powers that be know what is needed, I'm sure it will eventually balance out the way it should.  

Still didn't increase value of most LE items ...they are going for 1 fsps or less

 

Original idea meant to sink higher tier items to make them valued and worth farming in LE events not just bring new powerful potions to the game.(same goes to the SE items)

 

Whatever i think its late to do any change we got used to this


Edited by shindrak, 24 January 2015 - 23:22.


#10 Pardoux

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 00:12

Still didn't increase value of most LE items ...they are going for 1 fsps or less

 

Original idea meant to sink higher tier items to make them valued and worth farming in LE events not just bring new powerful potions to the game.(same goes to the SE items)

 

Whatever i think its late to do any change we got used to this

 

The reason that the LE drops are still worthless is, during the events, they rain down from the critters like a monsoon deluge. Even new critters lose all value in very short order 'cos the drop rate is too high. If LE items are meant to retain value, then the drops need to be harder to come by.


Edited by Pardoux, 25 January 2015 - 00:17.

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#11 yotwehc

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 00:48

I don't understand why composing consumes Common frags mostly while the original idea purpose was to sink Unique,Legendary and Super elite items to get them valued again ...

 

would be Better if breaking LE or SE would give some lower tier frags

Simply not true...

https://forums.hunte...g/?hl=composing

 

See #1:

"1) A purpose for items which no longer have a use (or are in abundance)"



#12 BadPenny

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 01:57

The reason that the LE drops are still worthless is, during the events, they rain down from the critters like a monsoon deluge. Even new critters lose all value in very short order 'cos the drop rate is too high. If LE items are meant to retain value, then the drops need to be harder to come by.

Exactly... and the SE drops aren't all that rare anymore either.  I quit using FI for them long ago, got a chicken ammy and a destroyer sword just yesterday.... I didn't have any buffs running for these guys, as a matter of fact and I killed the chicken in my epics and headed back to my relic.... it wasn't till afterward it occurred to me I should have used lf to make my travel less costly...   so now, I have a sword and an ammy in my ah that will probably become some pot for a future hunt.   It still remains though, that composing in no way makes any item more valuable.  It is a costly venture, nobody will want to pay more for items to be fragging.  Composing is our garbage disposal, guys, not a source for generating an income stream, even for the farmers.  Sorry folks, composing is just  not the right thing to fix that market.  

 

For LE/SE gear to  become valuable again, it needs to:

a.) be harder to come by, and

b.) be useful for something in game....  

 

So, Hoofie, dear, rework the stats and fix the drop rate... yeah, we'll complain about that, but in the end, it's the right thing for the game....


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#13 shindrak

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 16:44

Simply not true...

https://forums.hunte...g/?hl=composing

 

See #1:

"1) A purpose for items which no longer have a use (or are in abundance)"

Yes there's a lot of items other than "farming common" are useless or are in abundance still in game

 

and this is not the original idea



#14 yotwehc

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 17:00

Yes there's a lot of items other than "farming common" are useless or are in abundance still in game

and this is not the original idea

Can you point me to the original idea? That topic was the original idea albeit they did modify it. If there is another original idea, I would like to see it.

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 17:58

I'm against the game selling frags. There needs to remain a challenge to composing and the way it stands it is challenging. Composing has created a renewed demand for items in the game. The demand for LE, SE and Crystal items hasn't caught up yet as seen in the AH. It will! There remains a portion of the game's trickle down economy whereby players can sell frags that needs to stay. Global frag events give some relief to the monotony of getting frags by killing mobs without gaining meaningful xp. The only problem that could be addressed is there is a big gap where common frags received changes around 1600. There's 128 levels before 5 frag commons can be attained. That stretch is a little long.


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#16 mary4ever

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 22:02

I am against the game selling common fragments because I know many composers who either hunt their frags themselves, pay someone to farm for them or get theim through global events, this current system works so why try to "fix" something that is NOT broken ;)


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Posted 26 January 2015 - 10:13

Even though I'm a composer, I'd say no to this ...
 
There are plenty of options for getting frags already.
 
Farming them yourself, doing any global events, paying someone to farm for you ...


Pretty much this. There are plenty of ways to gain Frags already.


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