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#21 Leos3000

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Posted 13 February 2015 - 19:41

I don't like the fact that pvp is almost never true pvp... usually 1 party is well prepared while the other is offline or unbuffed.

I would like some type of pvp where I can go test my skills with other willing participants and battle a bunch over a shorter time frame.. once per hour is boring and a waste of buffs..

#22 sweetlou

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Posted 13 February 2015 - 19:55

I look forward to the day that we are the same level so that I can see if you will take me on one on one or once again go crying to your guild for justice. Again I enjoy your postings to the forum on PvP subjects, they are insightful however your actions make you the "poster child"  for everything that is wrong with PvP.

Well, I will thank you for all the kind words about me, especially the ones about being a poster subject. But you have it wrong about crying to anyone. I just don't do that. Never needed to because the guys and gals I've made over the years will hit for me without reason and I'll do the same for them. I actually don't remember you out of the 1000s I have dropped but I would say 99.9% of the time there was a reason. What your reason was I don't know or care but I don't need a reason after all!

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#23 wil72

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Posted 13 February 2015 - 20:13

Personally what i dislike about PvP, Ladder and the Bounty B is the pretence that it has some kinda code,  a honourable agreement among players. This, I am afraid, is a farce, read certain posts here for the proof. These "player imposed" rules and regulations, as it appears to me, are only cited by some when it is convenient to do so or to justify a smashing spree. Lets make it quite clear, there are no rules, no code of honour............there is just PVP.

 

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#24 Rocknoor

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Posted 13 February 2015 - 20:18

Well, I will thank you for all the kind words about me, especially the ones about being a poster subject. But you have it wrong about crying to anyone. I just don't do that. Never needed to because the guys and gals I've made over the years will hit for me without reason and I'll do the same for them. I actually don't remember you out of the 1000s I have dropped but I would say 99.9% of the time there was a reason. What your reason was I don't know or care but I don't need a reason after all!

Exactly my point, your approach to PvP is not Player vs. Player it's Player vs. Guild where you have your buddies gang up on whoever has "transgressed" against you with no reason necessary and that's what's wrong with PvP in it's current form.


 


#25 sweetlou

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Posted 13 February 2015 - 23:08

Exactly my point, your approach to PvP is not Player vs. Player it's Player vs. Guild where you have your buddies gang up on whoever has "transgressed" against you with no reason necessary and that's what's wrong with PvP in it's current form.

And your aggrieved bad attitude against PvPers is precisely why you think you have a problem. You don't. Just play the game. You alluded to the fact that I had previously done something egregious to your character. I haven't done anything against anyone that is illegal by the game's rules. Whatever happened to you(or your guild), you probably earned it. I don't have to justify my game play. I didn't design this game. I would drop you or anyone else I wanted to drop by myself if I could. I can't. The game mechanics don't allow it. You're complaining about the semantics of the term PvP instead of learning to play it.

 

I am not in a gang, I am in a guild. Get it straight!! Stop using offensive terms. I protect and defend players who are in my guild and also allies/friends outside my guild. Why don't you? Why doesn't your guild protect you? Does your moral compass prevent you, or is it that you or your guild are incapable? Or maybe both? That is not my fault, but yours. I am not a bully! I am an affective PvPer who has played the game for years. I will continue to drop anyone I want for any reason I want without harassing them. Maybe if an aggrieved player like yourself stops putting themselves into positions of vulnerability, aka attacking others, they can stop feeling the victim. Yes, that is how the game mechanics continue to work.


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#26 RebornJedi

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 00:12

lets try to keep the discussion from being so personal.. we can talk about player's tactics without putting that player on the spot..

 

focus on what you don't like about PvP in its current form without dropping a player's or guild's name..


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#27 Mister Doom

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 00:12

This thread doesn't seem like the 'What don't you like about pvp' thread.

 

More like the, "shut up and never complain about pvp thread." ¬_¬

 

Why not let the two threads properly run their course and see what the actual arguments are, for and against?


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#28 Rocknoor

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 00:49

I was wondering how long it would take you to get personal, I talk about a style of PvP  play I find objectionable and you get personal in a defense of that style of play.  Get this straight, I love PvP I'm just not a fan of your version of it.  I have 10 stam cleared you on the Bounty Board 3 times in the same evening and promptly lost 15 levels because you counter bountied me and called in your buddies...that's PvP your version, have your guild take care of the problem for you. Did I counter bounty any of them, absolutely not because they did nothing wrong and it's within the rules.  As a matter of fact you can not find one person in the game that I have ever bountied for any reason because I believe in PvP.  I'll settle my own fights, if you're with +/-10 levels of me I'll hit you directly to settle a score, if not you'll be on my wanted bounties list and I'll deal with you there.  My idea of PvP is not hitting some poor defenseless offline player while fully buffed and then "huffing and puffing" about how great PvP is.  You want a piece of me come at me...I'm on the Bounty Board, want to settle a problem with me let me know I'll 10 stam one of your guiild mates so he/she can bounty me and we can go one on one on the Bounty Board, in it's current system you won't even lose any XP when you lose.  That's what I consider PvP, I don't need to call in my guild to protect me. I did it to myself I should settle it myself.  That's what I consider PvP, no need to call in my guild to support me that's not their fight it's mine.  That's why you and I will never see eye to eye on PvP, I settle my own battles Player Vs Player, you call in your guild to do the job you won't or can't do. Your style of play is why I advocate no-counter bounties and XP loss for both Hunter and Hunted. Which is how we got here in the first place the topic is "What you don't like about PvP" it doesn't ask for a defense of it as you are trying to do, there is a whole other thread for that called "What I like about PvP" please stay on topic.


 


#29 Davros81

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:38

endless semantics and people who don't pvp sticking their pointless oar in...



#30 sweetlou

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:01

I'll settle my own fights, if you're with +/-10 levels of me I'll hit you directly to settle a score, if not you'll be on my wanted bounties list and I'll deal with you there.  My idea of PvP is not hitting some poor defenseless offline player while fully buffed and then "huffing and puffing" about how great PvP is.  You want a piece of me come at me...I'm on the Bounty Board, want to settle a problem with me let me know I'll 10 stam one of your guiild mates so he/she can bounty me and we can go one on one on the Bounty Board, in it's current system you won't even lose any XP when you lose.

Please, do what you want. I'll wait for you to come on your moral high horse... And who's getting personal? Who's "huffing and puffing" here? Sorry, but you have a case of forum warrioritis!


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#31 Rocknoor

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:07

No reply necessary, the topic once again is "What I don't like about PvP" move on....


 


#32 Pardoux

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:37

 people who don't pvp sticking their pointless oar in...

 

Maybe because, as per the title of the thread, there are a lot of things about PvP that they don't like in its current inception ?


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#33 yodamus

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 15:37

endless semantics and people who don't pvp sticking their pointless oar in...

so us people who do a little pvp, but not a lot pf pvp,  are told to shut up and not allowed to make suggestions or opinions on forum or chat.... ??  again pvpers trying to bullying the forums and chat.. 



#34 Calista

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 15:55

I'm so over the nonsense 'bully' crap. Grim never should have put that out there. It's a game! People are going to play different ways then others. That's one of the best things about FS. I'm not a bully because I PvP. And everyone on the forums can be accused of bullying. Get over yourself!

 


#35 Rocknoor

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 16:14

endless semantics and people who don't pvp sticking their pointless oar in...

They may not PvP but they are the targets of PvP'ers and as such have every justification in posting their opinion in a thread titled "What DON'T you like about PvP."


 


#36 Raku

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 16:34

I'm so over the nonsense 'bully' crap. Grim never should have put that out there. It's a game! People are going to play different ways then others. That's one of the best things about FS. I'm not a bully because I PvP. And everyone on the forums can be accused of bullying. Get over yourself!

If you don't want to be called a bully then don't act like a bully. If you act like a bully then be ready to be called a bully. Pretty simply I would think. Some pvpers have been referred to as bullies long before BG put it out there so you can't blame it on him.

 

Now on topic the only thing I really dislike about pvp is pvpers not being separated from non-pvpers. Let people who want to pvp do so to their hearts content with other pvpers, and leave those who want out of it, out of it.



#37 Calista

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 16:53

I'm a PvP player, not a bully. People seem to cram the 2 together like to one is guaranteed to be the other. I'm also friends with both the non PvP player and PvP player arguing in this topic. Can you honestly read posts from both and blame just the PvP player while the other is making threats, talking trash and name calling to name a few things I noticed? The majority of the time it isn't the pvp players who start it. It's the nonsense like this topic that turns issues ugly.

 


#38 johnagod

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 18:47

I don't like being hit with 100 stam, losing millions of XP, even though I only had 2k gold on hand. If I bounty them, they hit me extra times and get their guild after me. If I hit them back, they hit me extra times and still get their guild after me. If I don't do anything about it then they'll still hit me again but they're getting the upper hand. It's just a lose/lose situation for me anyway. I don't want to waste my stamina hitting them back because, well PvP just isn't my thing. And even though PvP is, or was, a big part of this game, I don't think it's fair for people to be constantly hit with 100 stamina for really no reason at all



#39 Raku

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 19:12

I'm a PvP player, not a bully. People seem to cram the 2 together like to one is guaranteed to be the other. I'm also friends with both the non PvP player and PvP player arguing in this topic. Can you honestly read posts from both and blame just the PvP player while the other is making threats, talking trash and name calling to name a few things I noticed? The majority of the time it isn't the pvp players who start it. It's the nonsense like this topic that turns issues ugly.

Oh I agree, they are not one and the same and from what I have seen the majority of player on both sides agree. Everyone has their own actions to be accountable for, but neither one justifies the other. 



#40 sweetlou

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 20:13

I'm a PvP player, not a bully. People seem to cram the 2 together like to one is guaranteed to be the other. I'm also friends with both the non PvP player and PvP player arguing in this topic. Can you honestly read posts from both and blame just the PvP player while the other is making threats, talking trash and name calling to name a few things I noticed? The majority of the time it isn't the pvp players who start it. It's the nonsense like this topic that turns issues ugly.

Please don't think of yourself as a bully, ever! Those of us who know you know that you are the antithesis of what a bully is considered. You know it. Please don't let it bother you. Also don't stoop to any idiot's level because they suck. Here, it's mostly at playing this game, and the only resolve they have is to start whining. It's ironic, I know, but people who try to intimidate through threats, trash talk, and name calling are they themselves the bullies. These idiots have an inferiority complex who think their power comes from the trash they talk. It's why we have always dealt with them the way we do and will continue to do so!


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