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#481 Blixen

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 06:34

Not my cup of tea - this update. I prefer keeping it simple. Then again your last 4-5 updates havent been for my taste, so maybe this game just isnt for me anymore:-)

 

Apparently this game didnt suit any of my 2000 referals either - since none of them sticked (despite the fact that they all came from google and searched for online RPG games). I really doubt a strange system like this will do any good for new players.

 

In my opinion - this game is getting more and more strange the more you work on it.


Edited by Blixen, 18 June 2015 - 06:35.


#482 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 06:35

+1   lol......  forum duty !! ..... thats funny and probably so true !!

 

I agree.  Just do it !! ....  Dont let a small very vocal minority change your plans !!.... You are making changes for the community as a whole !!

Please, read the post I've made just before you and say if you agree with that system.



#483 yotwehc

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:04

So, you think it's ok to people hit others all day without any kind of repercussion?
That's the initial proposal.

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With the new system we can smash all day long without bounties, only losing a few XP when we take some gold, well, as I see it, it's a lawless system, we can completelly smash a guild ruinning the play experience and go out free?

C'mon...

From my point of view, what's different? I still don't know if I like or don't like this new system... but, what's different? Old system, I get pvp'd, they get soft cleared. New system? I get Pvp'd, They get soft cleared. You can still smash either way...



#484 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:12

From my point of view, what's different? I still don't know if I like or don't like this new system... but, what's different? Old system, I get pvp'd, they get soft cleared. New system? I get Pvp'd, They get soft cleared. You can still smash either way...

We only get soft clears if someone does it, you always can grab 5 friends and smash us too, in the new system there is no way for anyone to do it, the smash will really be free of repercusion.



#485 yotwehc

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:39

We only get soft clears if someone does it, you always can grab 5 friends and smash us too, in the new system there is no way for anyone to do it, the smash will really be free of repercusion.

I prefer not dragging friends into a problem. So basically, from my point of view, there is no repercussions with either system. it's a wash.



#486 Grimwald

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:42

My solution to all this bickering is rather simple.

Make PVP independent from level or levelup points (for PVP they are ALL gone). Or make everyone level 25. Then give everyone an second PVP-based setup, which is only used in pvp. When you want gear, you go to an special pvp hunting area, where you hunt with your normal gear against mobs (with an quest if you like, or during an special global event) which drops resources, receipes and/or gear. You can use forging and hellforging to improive the gear and you can sell the gear you get.

At the moment you equip the gear it becomes BOUND and you can only detroy it by getting a new piece of gear.

In that realm you can manually hunt other players, and attack them with your pvp gear.

After the global, the normal ELO-based pvp system kicks in (like the idea from the cows) but you still keep using the pvp gear.

 

The rest of all PVP dies. No more gold hits, delevelling, just a pure arena style pvp in event or an ELO-base tournament.



#487 LadyJ

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:59

I find this new PvP system as innovative, coming up against EoC players is a very original way of testing one's knowledge in PvP, the only downside is the Bounty Board changes, when a player attacks another player, it kills the whole purpose of the board IMHO.

 

My Point here is that the victim should have the right to react to a PvP gold hit, not the coding, and I think this suggestion benefits both victim and oppressor. Having been both in my time playing FS this is my mentality:

 

Victim - I just hunted, I was hit by a Gold Thief, and lost a lot of gold, I want to see that thief bountied and 100 stammed by a friend/guild mate/merc, while I take a chance that a BHer also accepts the bounty to take even more XP from that pvper, so I go ahead and put up a 10 FSP bounty and make sure to tell all of FS about it, while offering another 5 FSP for every delevel. so every person online tries taking that reward and smashes that PvPer to teach him a lesson, with this new method I can't, because the game decides when s/he gets bountied and for how much and I cannot see him/her losing levels because one single attack is all thats needed to complete the bounty [The last 12 words are from what I understand].

 

Oppressor - I just hit someone for gold, I was bountied, and Im glad about it because I've met 3/4 of my friends on the BB, and maybe I can get someone to clear me, or I stick around online, ready to have some fun and defend incoming attacks, maybe make some new BHer friends while doing it, now I dont know when I will be bountied, I dont know for how much I will be bountied, and spending 3-5 FSP worth of buffs is no longer worth doing for defending one single bounty hit, and even if it is, I might not even be online to see myself get bountied, and can't do it...


Edited by LadyJ, 18 June 2015 - 08:06.


#488 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:59

I prefer not dragging friends into a problem. So basically, from my point of view, there is no repercussions with either system. it's a wash.

That's the problem, lets say I have a personal problem against you, I'll explain in the two systems (using extreme cases where you, for example, offended my guild):

Actual system - If I'm the same level than you, I'll hit you, others from my guild will also hit, after all you offended all my guild. If you hit back, we will bounty and take 5 levels, now you have 5 bounties to post, you can: 1-Bounty everyone and leave that way. 2-Post the 5 bounties and use your guild to smash us. 3-Do nothing...It's YOUR choice.

New system - I'm the same level than, so I hit you, you can do nothing, so I keep hitting as long you don't buy PvP Protection, once you buy it, I'll start to hit your guild, why? You offended my guild, so I'll use the same tool. If the thing goes bigger, my guild will start to hit your guildmates too, A LOT, what can you do? Hit back (we will not care), and nothing more.

As a pure leveller you can think 'it's easy, everyone should just buy PvP Protection and they'll stop hitting', you see, that's not as the game should be, no one deserves a jail free card everytime.

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Watch the BB for few days, most of the bounties there are over TED or few other PvP Guild, keeping the old system make us easier targets, but also, make us capable to be called a PvP Guild, with the new system would be no such thing.

And I'm really tired of all of this, if no one get this I hope Hoof will.



#489 LadyJ

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:59

Sorry for the double posts, I had a lag spike


Edited by LadyJ, 18 June 2015 - 08:00.


#490 kstbhs

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 08:00

Didn't read all of the posts mostly cause it was all repetition after first few posts.

All this quarrel reminded me of the time teleport buffs was being introduced. people objected in a similar way(but to a lower extent than this time) but in the end after the buff came in everyone resumed back to normal. This is how it always will be. After the implementation of new system no one cares about it anymore.This is quite a major update and i am all in for it cause i am pretty bored with sitting alone in my current band for a few resets now.I need something new in pvp system no matter what. As to some people complaining about low lvl person being at disadvantage, lets see how it works. i am comparitively a low lvl i think but i am all in for the idea.I am pretty sure the players near eoc wont take much part to this new system too as now for each attack you get bountied at a random time which will result in quite a loss in their xp.

Some things i want to confirm are that whether the time to attack will still be 1 hr or not. whether we will gain rating through bounties.the bounty reward will be player lvl X 100 gold or not.

Some suggestions i want to give are increase the xp lost in bounty attack( if its an auto bounty of 1 attack only) from 2X to 4X.

Also instead of showcasing dominance medal make it to staying at top 5(or some other no.) in your current league( or in leagues gold crystal and titan).



#491 yotwehc

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 08:17

That's the problem, lets say I have a personal problem against you, I'll explain in the two systems (using extreme cases where you, for example, offended my guild):

Actual system - If I'm the same level than you, I'll hit you, others from my guild will also hit, after all you offended all my guild. If you hit back, we will bounty and take 5 levels, now you have 5 bounties to post, you can: 1-Bounty everyone and leave that way. 2-Post the 5 bounties and use your guild to smash us. 3-Do nothing...It's YOUR choice.

New system - I'm the same level than, so I hit you, you can do nothing, so I keep hitting as long you don't buy PvP Protection, once you buy it, I'll start to hit your guild, why? You offended my guild, so I'll use the same tool. If the thing goes bigger, my guild will start to hit your guildmates too, A LOT, what can you do? Hit back (we will not care), and nothing more.

As a pure leveller you can think 'it's easy, everyone should just buy PvP Protection and they'll stop hitting', you see, that's not as the game should be, no one deserves a jail free card everytime.

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Watch the BB for few days, most of the bounties there are over TED or few other PvP Guild, keeping the old system make us easier targets, but also, make us capable to be called a PvP Guild, with the new system would be no such thing.

And I'm really tired of all of this, if no one get this I hope Hoof will.

So why are you so worried about the new system? You say you don't care. You will have all the power as I will get hit if I offend you and you won't care what happens with the new system.
Seems you still have the ability to punish based on your example. i guess we wait it out and see what HCS comes up with. I know there are a lot of nervous players. They will not post in forums as they will get targeted such as when you threatened me so I can't blame them for not participating.

#492 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 08:44

So why are you so worried about the new system? You say you don't care. You will have all the power as I will get hit if I offend you and you won't care what happens with the new system.
Seems you still have the ability to punish based on your example. i guess we wait it out and see what HCS comes up with. I know there are a lot of nervous players. They will not post in forums as they will get targeted such as when you threatened me so I can't blame them for not participating.

Because that's not right, I'm not affraid for myself, but for the game, but well...I tryed to explain why this is a bad idea.

Whatever HCS comes up with, I'll still be playing, and I hope that will be fun for everyone, I don't a system where players can freely smash everyone, lets hope HCS makes the best for the game.



#493 Altiger

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 09:03

after reading the posts here

 

 

league system is a good, I like it (random targets with possibility of bounty if enough gold stolen)

 

but new bounty board system is a joke! the bounty board is not broken, do not touch it! you said you would replace the ladder with the pvp tourny, why change the bounty board, leave it, it is not broken!

keep the current bounty system for unranked attacks (not league attacks), for league attacks do your auto-bounty system with 1 hit bounties

 

I did not find this in the forum, are unranked attacks open ranges too?



#494 Hoofmaster

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 10:01

The team (including myself) are currently looking through this thread and taking notes and we're going to discuss all the issues raised so far. From what I've read so far the main issues of contention appear to be around the bounty board but we'll be sure to look at all the comments and feedback.



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Posted 18 June 2015 - 10:42

PvP Season - I think it's a great idea, something new and it will hook quite few players up, however, its got to have some level brackets, for example, 100-500, 501-1000, 1001-1500, 1501-2000, after level 2000 I think the gear stats are similar, open range definitely wont work, probably will put some players off due to being defeated by much higher level players.

Bounty Board - I think your additions to the original idea are definitely better than the original one and we could have a go with it but please implement it as a seperate update to the game and leave ORIGINAL BOUNTY BOARD ALIVE, after some time you can review it.

Game Bounty Board could be opt in/out option so nobody will be forced in to it.

 

It's much appreciated for working on new ideas, trying to improve the current gameplay and I'm sure these new things will bring more activity here but all this should be implemented as an addition without removing completely current game parts.

 

In that case all will be happy as the new additions to the game will come up and no important parts will be wanished out. Maybe in the future there will be some changes made what will satisfy current BB fans and the new GBB fans so it will be posibility to leave only one but not now, not straight away, these kind of changes must be done slowly, bit by bit ensuring no fails will be made and both sides will be happy.

 

Hoof - please reconcider this, we are not asking you to stop implementing new things (trust me, we all are happy that you are looking for improvments), we only want to keep what's so important for so many people in FS world.



#496 kstbhs

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 11:01

Although everyone is saying they want lvl ranges but it wouldn't be any different from all the previous pvp systems. there is no sense at all to divided players in to categories ( viz leagues and level ranges)



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Posted 18 June 2015 - 11:05

 

 

 

If you don't make any potions it doesn't affect me and how i play the game. If you don't titan it doesn't affect me and how i play the game. if you buy PvP protection it affects me and how i playthe game.

 

also pvp gives me prestige. I currently have enough prestige to use for the x2 event so i am not attacking anyone outside gold hits. after the event, i will be attacking players on my range to get enough pvp prestige for the next x2 event. do I hate players that i attack? no, i don't. do i utilized an aspect of the game that's present to further my enjoyment of the game? yes i do. want me to stop hitting anyone ever? then remove any benefits that i could get from PvPing.

 

 

How does a person buying PvP protection affect you?  Sure, you can't attack them, but as I keep pointing out, why would you want to hit them in the first place?  They are most likely wearing stam gain gear and they clearly do not want to participate in PvP.

Are you saying you only want to attack people who do not want to attack you back?  Or that only wear gear with weak stats?

 

Can someone who identifies as a PvP player please explain this logic to me?  Why do you want such easy targets?  I would think you would want to PvP with other players who want to PvP.



#498 kstbhs

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 11:28

How does a person buying PvP protection affect you?  Sure, you can't attack them, but as I keep pointing out, why would you want to hit them in the first place?  They are most likely wearing stam gain gear and they clearly do not want to participate in PvP.

Are you saying you only want to attack people who do not want to attack you back?  Or that only wear gear with weak stats?

 

Can someone who identifies as a PvP player please explain this logic to me?  Why do you want such easy targets?  I would think you would want to PvP with other players who want to PvP.

I would probably attack such a person because he/she is carrying a hefty amount of gold.


Or maybe just to listen(or rather read :P) them whine.



#499 cramble27

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 11:30

I would probably attack such a person because he/she is carrying a hefty amount of gold.


Or maybe just to listen(or rather read :P) them whine.

 

So PvP it about taking gold from a weakly geared person, or just to simply antagonize them.  Got it  :rolleyes:



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Posted 18 June 2015 - 11:31

Tweaking to 10x 50 stam kills to clear a bounty is better then 1 hit bounties, but I have to say, setting every bounty to a minimum 500 stam to clear ( provided you win all attacks) is a lot of stam compared to the 10x10=100 minimum it currently is.


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