don't really underatand what you mean ?That's fine. But the main point is as you said it's a pvp game so all players should be allowed input, no?
PvP Ladder/ Bounty Board Improvement Ideas
#81
Posted 21 August 2015 - 19:06

#82
Posted 21 August 2015 - 19:09
It had participation cuz its a new thing everyone wanted to try it or actually were forced to try it as at the beginning there was no opt out, every single player in the game was opt-ed in into it, then you added opt-out and a lot opted-out, and then you asked for removal of XP loss, then it was removed so phonies opted-in, makes sense now why it had participation ? However its not the subject here so you can start a new topic and we can talk there
I never understood why XP loss was removed, opt in and out yes but not the XP removal. If it had stayed, XP loss that is, it would have been interesting to know how many would have bailed. I'd hazard a guess as...not as many as you might think. Hey, "phonies" could have been top PvPers, alas no one will ever know. As for my choice of subject matter I'd say that it is very much on topic and no other thread creation is required. The Ladder was improved. It was PvP Seasons and Leagues that included XP loss per PvP hit.
By the way, the statement that updated PvP Seasons did not have XP loss is quite "phonie". Bounties were automatically placed by amounts of gold stolen during PvP attacks. This gold contributied to a players Bounty price, a high Bounty price automatically triggered a player onto the Bounty Board. Not only was gold stolen a factor but attacked players could also add gold to an attacking players bounty price thus ensuring they were posted. 3 levels maximum could be lost depending on how high the gold value of the Bounty. This BBoard system ensured that a fair few players lost XP during PvP Seasons. And there ain't nothing "phonie" about that mate.
Would love to chat more but I need to head, have to make a callie on ma phonie.
Cheers.
wil72
Edited by wil72, 21 August 2015 - 19:15.
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#83
Posted 21 August 2015 - 19:48
No one said not to listen to you. Quite the opposite. My point is you told Pythia not to participate in this thread because she doesn't pvp. You want to suppress the 2nd voice. Think of the roll out of the smasher medal. It was a classic example of how listening to just the 1st voice resulted in disaster. I never participated in forums until that point. How could such a bad idea get released? Because only one voice was heard.
I don't believe that I ever responded to Pythia. Just because a player doesn't PVP doesn't mean they should have a voice, or voice their concerns. My point is that it shouldn't be the only voice heard, which has been the case most of the times there have been "PVP" updates.
I wasn't involved in the forums/game whenever the smasher medal was first created - was it an open forum like this to ask what people's thoughts were? I understand from a "PVP" perspective that it's a fun little stat to show how many times you've 100 stammed other players, but I don't think PVP'ers would take a medal over actual improvements to the system to make the game better.
I think the main item for this thread - in order to make the Ladder system more active - new rewards need to be included. Those rewards, as long as they're valuable to players, will cause more interest. However, the system will continue to fizzle out like many others (arena, PVP ladder, titan hunting) whenever the cost of "doing business" outweights the rewards. There will still be those medal achievers and those that will continue to rack up the rewards, but the ladder will return to its former self prior to the seasons update.
I would even bet that if we had let seasons run it's course - over a couple months, most players would have opted out as well, or would just gain the "minimum" number of hits to gain the rewards. For most players, it's a cost vs benefit analysis that they do to see if they want to participate. I know I find myself doing it all the time - is this titan worth going after, is it worth doing the global event, is it worth placing top 100 in this global event, etc.
Unfortunately, I think PVP has been warped to the point that we'll never get it back to how it was in the past. It was pretty popular in my opinion, and back then I hated it. As I've played around with it, prior to the luck activation buffs, I found it was pretty fun, and you have the possibility to make a lot of friends. You also have the possibility to be verbally harassed and have your inbox spammed as well, but that's the price of doing business.
#84
Posted 21 August 2015 - 20:55
I don't believe that I ever responded to Pythia. Just because a player doesn't PVP doesn't mean they should have a voice, or voice their concerns. My point is that it shouldn't be the only voice heard, which has been the case most of the times there have been "PVP" updates.
Oops. no you didn't. I'm getting confused between you and Clock. I think it's been well established in this thread that this is a PVP game so all voices should be heard, no? That was my main complaint.
I wasn't involved in the forums/game whenever the smasher medal was first created - was it an open forum like this to ask what people's thoughts were? I understand from a "PVP" perspective that it's a fun little stat to show how many times you've 100 stammed other players, but I don't think PVP'ers would take a medal over actual improvements to the system to make the game better.
Nor was I involved in the forums at that time. I actually think it happened during a Chat session between HCS and players. If that were the case, most of the participants must have represented just one of the voices. Some to this day still think the smasher medal should be reinstated in it's original form instead of it's current "watered down" version.
Unfortunately, I think PVP has been warped to the point that we'll never get it back to how it was in the past. It was pretty popular in my opinion, and back then I hated it. As I've played around with it, prior to the luck activation buffs, I found it was pretty fun, and you have the possibility to make a lot of friends. You also have the possibility to be verbally harassed and have your inbox spammed as well, but that's the price of doing business.
Lucky you have the ignore button.
What's fun for you may not be fun for others? It's all subjective and that's the beauty of an MMORPG. You can play the aspects you enjoy. When one aspect interrupts another aspect, that's where you run into problems. No one wants to be forced to play a certain way. If you offered a complete opt out of PVP, I think levelers would care less what you do with PVP but because there is no OPT out, the voices need to be heard.
#85
Posted 21 August 2015 - 20:59
yotwehc, on 21 Aug 2015 - 11:45, said:
That's fine. But the main point is as you said it's a pvp game so all players should be allowed input, no?
don't really underatand what you mean ?
btw I never speak of my own opinions only, I speak for those who get disgusted from looking at the forums, I speak for aclot of PvPers, hoof said offer ideas and that's what we are all trying to do, I am also not sitting at my level range and target new players, I am actually the lowest level on my ladder and I will be opting out and going for a new stop after the next reset, on the other hand, you seem not to be a PvPer and this is a PvP suggestions thread sooo ... ....
you seem not to be a PvPer and this is a PvP suggestions thread sooo ... ....
#86
Posted 21 August 2015 - 21:18
yes, I said it, I made this threads for PvP improvement for the first "P" in PvP, I think the second P currently has ways to punish the first P when he gets attacked and the second P is opting out of ladder and not doing BB like you so again, how can you improve something that you never tried or you don't even like ? Whenever HCS heard to levellers we got things like opt out and this whole PvP seasons thing, we never asked for major changes, we just need a little bit of tweaks that IMO a leveller has no idea about, and again I say it this is a PvP improvement and suggestions thread, how can a levellers improve PvP, if they do they will just ruin it and we tried it a lot of times and PvP got watered down more and more when they listened to levellers who shouldn't have a problem with PvP, SO TO LEVELLERS: PLZ STOP GIVING IDEAS ON IMPROVING PvP CUZ SIMPLY YOU DON'T KNOW ITyotwehc, on 21 Aug 2015 - 11:45, said:
you seem not to be a PvPer and this is a PvP suggestions thread sooo ... ....

#87
Posted 21 August 2015 - 21:27
yes, I said it, I made this threads for PvP improvement for the first "P" in PvP, I think the second P currently has ways to punish the first P when he gets attacked and the second P is opting out of ladder and not doing BB like you so again, how can you improve something that you never tried or you don't even like ? Whenever HCS heard to levellers we got things like opt out and this whole PvP seasons thing, we never asked for major changes, we just need a little bit of tweaks that IMO a leveller has no idea about, and again I say it this is a PvP improvement and suggestions thread, how can a levellers improve PvP, if they do they will just ruin it and we tried it a lot of times and PvP got watered down more and more when they listened to levellers who shouldn't have a problem with PvP, SO TO LEVELLERS: PLZ STOP GIVING IDEAS ON IMPROVING PvP CUZ SIMPLY YOU DON'T KNOW IT
lol... did you see my example about the Smasher medal? Big fail... cuz only one side was listened to...
I thought this was a PVP game? aren't we all PVP'rs?
so basically you want improvement idea's from the first P only? Got it.
Thanks for clarifying.
#88
Posted 21 August 2015 - 21:43
No I am saying take ideas from the experts in the aspect or atleast people who tried it for a good while, for example I can't give ideas on improving titan hunting as clock96, I did titan hunt several times and have decent knowledge before but I am not an expert in it so I can't suggest improvements to itlol... did you see my example about the Smasher medal? Big fail... cuz only one side was listened to...
I thought this was a PVP game? aren't we all PVP'rs?
so basically you want improvement idea's from the first P only? Got it.
Thanks for clarifying.

#89
Posted 21 August 2015 - 22:14
No I am saying take ideas from the experts in the aspect or atleast people who tried it for a good while, for example I can't give ideas on improving titan hunting as clock96, I did titan hunt several times and have decent knowledge before but I am not an expert in it so I can't suggest improvements to it
There is nothing wrong with that BUT you have to hear from the 2nd P's also otherwise you are just rolling out a disaster like the original Smasher medal. Sure, do whatever you want with the ladder but the BB effects the 2nd P's.
Pythia also brings up a good point in that even PVP'rs (First P's) can't agree on ideas amongst themselves. So many disagreement amongst yourselves as well.
#90
Posted 21 August 2015 - 22:31
how exactly the BB affects someone who doesn't PvP ? If you don't PvP then you never get on board, if you get on board then yiu made some sort of PvPThere is nothing wrong with that BUT you have to hear from the 2nd P's also otherwise you are just rolling out a disaster like the original Smasher medal. Sure, do whatever you want with the ladder but the BB effects the 2nd P's.
Pythia also brings up a good point in that even PVP'rs (First P's) can't agree on ideas amongst themselves. So many disagreement amongst yourselves as well.

#91
Posted 21 August 2015 - 23:23
Why you keep saying doesn't pvp? We all do. It's a pvp game right? Anyway, your saying we don't use the bounty board? Think very carefully...how exactly the BB affects someone who doesn't PvP ? If you don't PvP then you never get on board, if you get on board then yiu made some sort of PvP
#92
Posted 21 August 2015 - 23:41
you use it to post people ? Anything more that I don't know of ?Why you keep saying doesn't pvp? We all do. It's a pvp game right? Anyway, your saying we don't use the bounty board? Think very carefully...
Edited by clock96, 21 August 2015 - 23:42.

#93
Posted 22 August 2015 - 01:06
I thought you are the "expert"you use it to post people ? Anything more that I don't know of ?
#94
Posted 22 August 2015 - 01:15
I have played this game when we had all players forced into pvp like it or not and the structure was way different than now. I have played the ladders, I have done the bounty boards. I have played the seasonal league. I have stolen gold. I have leveled, I have done guild wars and all aspect of this game.
The fact is player vs player is how it should be. This is not meant to be a flamer but as a player of fs community I would really love to see pvp be set up as the best against the best. Why drag other players that are not interested in it. I say if they want to level let them and if they have gold take it. I do not get why as a group we do not think pvp as a challenge against the best in all levels throwing down as king or queen of the mountain type deal.
I see by looking at the ladders that there are not many players playing and many opted out. It has nothing to do with prizes really. The players in seasonal including myself wanted to try something different. To those that call it a pillow fight I really like to asked why many did not participate? I know myself I lost a lot of levels in that pillow fight more than I have on ladders imagine that. I do not play the current ladders for the reason the targets are boring. I had more targets and choices in the league.
To me seeing 6 in a ladder is not much fun.
I will remind those that do not play all aspects of the game take a look around the game now. We need all players and all levels playing for the community. I just want to suggest to bring some ideas from the league to the ladders since they are slow right now.
The bounty board I was looking at it and I see same old players on it again.
It was nice in the seasons league to see a variety of players on the bounty board and those collecting the bounties. I was surprised to see EOC doing bounties. ![]()
I have a question for all those on here right now why we are giving players a hard time let all players speak out. Levelers do not like being dragged into pvp, and pvpers do not like limited targets. I hope we can find a compromise.
I would like all the community put this thread on track and help suggest improvements that will let pvpers have fun again. I am for the fun factor back into pvp and for those not pvping put some suggestions to for fun in your perspective. It takes all players to play in fallenswords. It is time to move forward and see what we the complete community can do to help this game move forward and help hunted cow studios improve and keep people playing. It takes all of us to make this game fun so lets get back in having fun with all aspects thanks. ![]()
sorry multiple posted lol.
Edited by bigchaos, 22 August 2015 - 02:20.
#95
Posted 22 August 2015 - 01:44
PvP, Gold, BB and Me.
I have been hit for gold, near the end of the hunt and lost almost all of a hunt more than one time, I'm talking of being dropped more than a million of hunt gold when the hitter took near the mill mark or over perhaps. 100 stam hit you know.
I used to bounty, then I was asked by a few players if I wanted some 100 stam hits for posting. That stopped that because I got tired of tossing gold down the rabbit hole.
No more bounties placed and the BB slowed down with fewer people to hit. I'm just one player that gave up on it. From the sound of the posts being made, a lot of players gave up.
Do I resent being hit for gold? *shrugs* Only when it's 100 stam hit because they can and my hunt is fully wiped out. No deposits for the guild, or myself. No gold to buy the to expensive potions in the AH.
You play for your reasons as does every other player in the game.
I am concerned about being told that voicing my concerns is a no no, that I have no rights in threads like this because I don't take part in it.
I'll make you PvPers a deal.
I'll not post in these threads if you don't hit me while I hunt. Of course I know that's not really a viable request, it's a pipe dream.
#96
Posted 22 August 2015 - 02:22
season was "mainly" active because of 2 important things:
1) NEW REWARDS
season had NEW REWARDS ======> which brought season activity !!!
PvP ladder has NO new rewards ====> which brought hardly any activity !!!
Solution: add NEW REWARDS to the PvP ladder TOO =====> to get PvP ladder activity
2) BOUNTIES
season had bounties =========> which brought BB activity !!! (over 95%+ of bounties I saw were from season hits & I was often checking the BB)
PvP ladder has no bounties =========> which brought hardly any activity !!!
Solution: add bounties to the PvP ladder TOO =====> to get BB activity
ps:
season gave 12 EPIC potions as rewards !!! for gods sake: 12 EPIC potions !!!
I opted-out of the PvP ladder after the last reset where I placed 1st: 06:00 21/Aug/2015 You ranked 1st in your PvP Band! You have gained 5 PvP Ladder Token !!!
I spent about 3000 - 3500 stamina + some potions for 5 PvP Ladder Tokens that are not even worth 1 FSP !!!
grrrrrrrrrrrr the reward for 1st place on the PvP ladder is NOT even worth 1 FSP !!!
with these kind of rewards you really can not expect any "motivation" or draw activity to the PvP ladder !!!
I am going to stay out of the PvP ladder until we get NEW rewards !!!
Edited by mary4ever, 22 August 2015 - 02:41.
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#97
Posted 22 August 2015 - 02:47
I will state when I started the league there was no listing what the awards of the season league was going to be. I will state I played both times in season league and was in titan league as a fact as well. I enjoyed hitting players way above me and no I do not have huge stamina bank. I did not join season league for its prizes so why is it being brought up. I joined to see what kind of challenge was it. It is redundant to keep bringing up about seasonal league prizes they were not even listed in fact read the thread in what players playing had to say what they wanted to see for league awards. After the seasonal league was done first time prizes did not come out right away the first one. All playing first time around the league waited a long time before they knew what prizes were going to be. The fact most went forward to play next round and chat on prizes continue. https://forums.hunte...desires-please/
The fact ladders is dead there is only a limited amount of targets the question is why?
The next question how do you fix this put tons of prizes in advance you have some interest and back we go with same old issues no players wanting to play ladders why limited targets and no challenge.
I think I like to see prizes updated on the ladders to prove that prizes not the issue.
I like to state the bb was active and we are back to where we are. How do we keep the bb fed and yes bb needs xp loss. I liked the idea in season league taking the risk being on bb and was kind of fun seeing gold put on your bounty before it was posted. I can state I was on bb a lot lost a lot of levels as mentioned in my previous post.
I am not here to say I am right and I am not saying other posts are wrong. I am asking we pull it together and fix the obvious why pvp has no targets and make it fun again. Perhaps we are looking at this in the wrong view.
Maybe we should be listing what makes pvp fun for players should be asked. I do not have the solution but we as the community does. Lets move forward about prizes and try to figure out the mechanics of pvping.
You need players to play in pvp or there is no such thing. I hope as a community we can figure out how to keep players engaged playing pvp and have fun. I think this is all I have off the top of my head at the moment.
I hope we can move forward and make ladders fun like the seasonal league was. I know I had a ball with the league though it was flawed. I put the challenge out to the community to help fix the ladders to attract players and not repel them. Thanks.
Edited by bigchaos, 22 August 2015 - 03:11.
#98
Posted 22 August 2015 - 02:58
if you have anything more to do with BB, for example getting smashed on it then its sure because you took part in PvP so you have a reason to get smashed, I also see that if you lose 5 on board its not a reason why BB should be changed, BB is made so you should lose 5, if you lose less then thank God, do you have any other issues with the current PvP system as a lvler ?I thought you are the "expert"

#99
Posted 22 August 2015 - 03:04
if you have anything more to do with BB, for example getting smashed on it then its sure because you took part in PvP so you have a reason to get smashed, I also see that if you lose 5 on board its not a reason why BB should be changed, BB is made so you should lose 5, if you lose less then thank God, do you have any other issues with the current PvP system as a lvler ?
I have issues with how the current bounty board works but I have not entered the part of the game yet. I plan to take advantage of the exploit when I get to EOC. I will single handedly make the bounty board very active ;p
#100
Posted 22 August 2015 - 03:18
Honestly clock i've grown quite tired of your LvLer/PvPer ploy. We are all players, enough of this elitism stuff. Oh "levelers" are cowards. Everyone but PvPers are cowards. Everyone's opinion is valid regardless of what they enjoy to do. The bounty board was NOT created to lose 5... Certainly thats not how the BB was meant to be. There is supposed to be numerous of random people hitting on bounties not an orchestrated group finishing 9 hits then moving on to finish another 9. That's where the exploit comes in.
After waiting a few ladder resets
~ Currently 17 active people on the ladder playing in total
~ 2 Bounties at this moment in time, most of the time none
~ PvP totally stagnant
Why did people want to revert back to this inactive system?
~ Simple for whatever reason certain people love the old inactive BB where they can exploit dropping people 5
~ They did not like the new active BB because orchestrating pointless GvP was impossible
~ The newer BB was more of an actual BB by definition than the old BB will ever be
~ Xp loss on HIT in the seasons was taken away *You lost levels still*
How can we go forward at this point?
~ We really can't the system can not be revamped again to be reverted back unless there is compromising on both ends.
~ Throw rewards to temporarily fix the problem for a short period of time
~ Focus on other aspects where people won't complain
Was the old system perfect?
~ No, of course it wasn't yet
~ It was definitely being perfected everyday slowly, a few more weeks and it would of been perfect
Old System VS New System
Activity
~ New system > Old system
Entertainment
~ New system > Old system
Involvement Needed
~ New system > Old system
Community Learning
~ New system > Old system
Guild Wars
~ New system < Old system
Ability to GvP
~ New system < Old system
Synapses
I really can't find any compelling pro's of reverting back to the ladder system. Overall i think it was very selfish of people to want to revert back. The new system had plenty of potential and was overall good for the community as a whole. It really doesn't add up either with the activity in this old system in relation with the people wanting to revert. Potential solutions could be simply adding the option to post bounties aswell in the seasons but after posting a bounty on a certain individual you have a 24h CD before you can post another on that person. Either that or you can only post 5-10 bounties a day. Also add back in severely nerfed xp loss to the seasons. Also if you are a higher level hitting a lower level you can implement a formula to nerf xp loss to them. Just compromise and give both ends what they want. I'm sure the players who actively PvP won't mind going back to the new system if they had the ability to post bounties and hit for xp on seasons and vise versa. I think its time we stop being stubborn and come together as one entity trying to fix the problem
For example
50 stamina hits in seasons were equivalent to 100 stamina xp loss. Simply make xp loss based on "10" stamina hits.
If someone 500+ levels on you hits you make it equivalent to "5" stamina hit which is half xp loss of a "10" stamina hit.
Edited by EpicPiety, 22 August 2015 - 03:55.
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