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#101 yotwehc

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Posted 06 December 2015 - 20:57

Quoting for truth.

Indeed... No one touched your argument. Hard to argue against the "truth" ;p



#102 sweetlou

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 21:06

I think that would be good - not sure about anyone (but maybe - need to think about it!), but definitely no issue with the original poster upping the bounty :)

Any fresh thoughts on this idea?


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Posted 10 December 2015 - 00:36

yea, send it to a temple drawing for everyone. avoids the cows picking a favorite on levelers versus pvpers.



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Posted 10 December 2015 - 03:37

Yeah, send it to a temple drawing for everyone. Avoids the cows picking a favourite on levellers versus pvpers.

 

They already did by allowing bounties to expire without returning the posted reward fund.

 

This would just redress the balance.


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 23:35

The bounty should go to the defender. This may make others accept the bounty so they don't get rewarded for evil deeds.

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 00:10

The bounty should go to the defender. This may make others accept the bounty so they don't get rewarded for evil deeds.

 

I think that idea has successfully been shot down already - that's like double-reward. Reward for a pvp hit and then another reward for not being hit on a bounty or surviving one.

 

Does a felon on the run get the reward if he successfully evades the bounty hunter ? - I don't think so :)


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 00:16

Does a felon on the run get the reward if he successfully evades the bounty hunter ? - I don't think so :)

 

Yes. He doesn't go to jail. lol



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 00:17

Yes. He doesn't go to jail. lol

And the posted reward never gets paid out.

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 04:08

They already did by allowing bounties to expire without returning the posted reward fund.

 

This would just redress the balance.

 

Actually it favors pvpers by just letting it expire and it being a gold sink for the game. If BB is about punishment / retribution ... then an uncleared bounty is not finished.


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#110 Mister Doom

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 18:04

Actually it favours pvpers by just letting it expire and it being a gold sink for the game. If BB is about punishment / retribution ... then an uncleared bounty is not finished.

 

Which is the point I was making...


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#111 Filletminion

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 12:45

Which is the point I was making...

Why would you post a bounty without organising hitters first..you deserve to lose your fsp.



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Posted 03 January 2016 - 18:14

Why would you post a bounty without organising hitters first..you deserve to lose your fsp.

 

Since the bounty hunters are not themselves exempt from being bountied. This just means as well as me suffering the initial attack, more of my friends get put on the BB and smacked.

 

Since pvp'ers tend to have more 'pvp friends' that actually enjoy this type of thing. Once again this entire scenario ends up in favour of 'the pvper'.

 

This game has become so one-sided when it comes to pvp, with the alliances and collaborations between pvp'ers and pvp guilds they can pretty much dominate anything remotely pvp-related. Since they also have become an extremely vocal minority within the forums now, they also conspire to derail, defame and basically destroy any ideas put forward that jeopardises this stranglehold. It is quite plain to see the effect this has had on the game, yet for some bizarre reason Hoofmaster consistently seems to listen to their self interested nonsense.

 

It is what it is though I suppose. This game is still a fun 20 minutes or so every now and then.


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#113 Davros81

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 19:57

Stuff

No the system favours no one in essence. The key here is to have certain things in place; friends, who are loyal and willing to back you up, and to be moderately organised, anyone moaning about the issue of the pvp bounty board simply does not have these two key factors in place...

 

The majority of the time, when I have had to relieve a player of levels, more often than not I have had more folk from outside of my various guilds help me delevel someone than those within my guild. It is not simply a case of "those in pvp guilds are in it together" quite the opposite I would say. However, I will state that having a guild that has members that will back you up is very helpful so long as they know what they are backing you up for and that they know the consequences. End of the day what is the loss of 5 levels? To me nothing, I have lost countless levels defending my friends in this game and have enjoyed every minute of it.

 

In summation it does not favour the pvper at all, it "may" favour those who are loyal to their friends however... ;)



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 09:28

Since the bounty hunters are not themselves exempt from being bountied. This just means as well as me suffering the initial attack, more of my friends get put on the BB and smacked.
 
Since pvp'ers tend to have more 'pvp friends' that actually enjoy this type of thing. Once again this entire scenario ends up in favour of 'the pvper'.
 
This game has become so one-sided when it comes to pvp, with the alliances and collaborations between pvp'ers and pvp guilds they can pretty much dominate anything remotely pvp-related. Since they also have become an extremely vocal minority within the forums now, they also conspire to derail, defame and basically destroy any ideas put forward that jeopardises this stranglehold. It is quite plain to see the effect this has had on the game, yet for some bizarre reason Hoofmaster consistently seems to listen to their self interested nonsense.
 
It is what it is though I suppose. This game is still a fun 20 minutes or so every now and then.

If Levellers so outnumber Pvpers in game if you stood as one you would win based on your logic.Your own post just admitted as much.

Edited by BigGrim, 24 February 2016 - 11:05.
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Posted 23 February 2016 - 10:04

I'm sorry. I really don't care about this any more.


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#116 bigchaos

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 00:41

To be honest the attacker put on bounty board should not get money back and the player placing bounty up does not get it gold or fsp for bounty back either.  The best solution we have for bounty board structure in game at this moment of time is to not put a time of removal for placed bounties on bounty board. 

 

Keep bounty up until completed and maybe there will be less empty boards to work with.  Bounty board was meant to be a punishment for attacking another player.  I have not really thought being removed with x time frame has helped much on bounty board. I would love to see bounty board more active. 

 

I hope HCS staff will post on this topic more to let the FS community know if there will be some updates in coding or other potential changes, to improve this aspect of the game. 



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 01:48

Bountys that expire have improved the game! Defenders can, and not easily, defend themselves for 48 hrs while ANYONE in the game can attempt to kill them 10 times. This isn't easy! On the other hand, players who post bountys for the minimum reward have no guarantee that there surrogate punishment will occur. There needs to be a way to increase the amount of the reward to lure more hunters to attempt the bounty. Repealing the expiration is absurd.


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#118 bigchaos

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:23

I only suggest that because when I am looking at bounty board I do not see pages on bounty board and this makes me wonder why.  The 48 hrs at least from my view does not give pages that I have seen in the past when I received my bounty board medal.   :rolleyes:

I would not use the word absurd lightly but looking at bounty board currently is absurd seeing no bounties or less than half a page. To be honest have a what few players on with power potions waiting out for the time of their bounty to expire is absurd. 

 

I have seen bounty board busier than this when I first started and remember seeing no less than 3 pages full of bounties when I first started. 

 

I look at bounty board these days in fs and see a very sad sight.  So lets come up with something other than power potion players waiting out the timer and wanting bonus prizes for hitting players getting on the bounty board and try to receive the reward. 

 

Players being attacked from day one of this game has had the right to place bounty of fsp or gold amount what they want on bounty board based on what was required to post bounty and not have any other players stating it had to be only gold or only fsp and higher than what was required to have bounty board activity. So to state the reward has to be greater is not the right answer to the problem. The solution is activity and variety of past days in golden years of bounty board. 

 

I just had an idea since players support 48 hour time frame of bounty board lets take all rewards fsp or gold put in a bone pile when enough is accumulated from bounties beating the 48 hours on bounty board give x amount of bounty board tickets to fs community based on amount  accumulated for free chances to do bounty board. 

 

Just an idea and before we get into this and that only type comments lets make it where there is a solution here pro and con on  idea or on the topic started.  I would love see bounty board active and I mean active like it was in past or in seasons would be a delightful sight to see again.   :lol:  :P


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#119 sweetlou

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:58

I concur the super pots have ruined many challenges in the game. It's not a popular subject around here. Admitting there's a problem is the first step to fixing it. I look forward to that realization.

 

The BB is empty often because there aren't many players attacking others, plain and simple. Like other parts of the game(ie Arena), there aren't as many players playing as there used to be. It is easier than ever to get rid of gold. PvP protection. Players get little benefit from attacking another. Even bounty hunting isn't self sustaining(ie it costs to play it. Players send obscene messages after being attacked. We don't see wars between guilds like we used to. And more...

 

Seasons had wonderful components to it. It also had many negative aspects. It was a shame to see the devs give up so quickly on a project they appeared to put some resources behind. The story behind that decision has yet to be heard. Before Seasons returns I only wish Hoof would listen to players like he used to. Then again much of the game's success has always correlated to the amount of direct involvement he has in it.


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#120 yotwehc

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 14:48

I only suggest that because when I am looking at bounty board I do not see pages on bounty board and this makes me wonder why.  The 48 hrs at least from my view does not give pages that I have seen in the past when I received my bounty board medal.   :rolleyes:

I would not use the word absurd lightly but looking at bounty board currently is absurd seeing no bounties or less than half a page. To be honest have a what few players on with power potions waiting out for the time of their bounty to expire is absurd. 

 

I have seen bounty board busier than this when I first started and remember seeing no less than 3 pages full of bounties when I first started. 

 

I look at bounty board these days in fs and see a very sad sight.  So lets come up with something other than power potion players waiting out the timer and wanting bonus prizes for hitting players getting on the bounty board and try to receive the reward. 

 

Players being attacked from day one of this game has had the right to place bounty of fsp or gold amount what they want on bounty board based on what was required to post bounty and not have any other players stating it had to be only gold or only fsp and higher than what was required to have bounty board activity. So to state the reward has to be greater is not the right answer to the problem. The solution is activity and variety of past days in golden years of bounty board. 

 

I just had an idea since players support 48 hour time frame of bounty board lets take all rewards fsp or gold put in a bone pile when enough is accumulated from bounties beating the 48 hours on bounty board give x amount of bounty board tickets to fs community based on amount  accumulated for free chances to do bounty board. 

 

Just an idea and before we get into this and that only type comments lets make it where there is a solution here pro and con on  idea or on the topic started.  I would love see bounty board active and I mean active like it was in past or in seasons would be a delightful sight to see again.   :lol:  :P

BC - I can give you a little bit of insight as to why folks don't use the BB. In my new merc life (which has been very slow but I shall soon start advertising), I have PM'd a few players.

- The person who gets posted is generally soft cleared by "friends"

- It invites additional attacks in the future.

- It's not worth it - I even offer to pay for the posting + extra :(

 

This is where I agree with you in the genius implementation of the auto bounty during seasons. If they did a survey of just that aspect, I would imagine it would have a very positive result. It would kill my merc'ing career however :(


Edited by yotwehc, 24 February 2016 - 14:49.



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