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#1 yodamus

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Posted 20 November 2015 - 17:31

ok..i will try this again..since it was greatly approved by arena players and those wishing to do arena-

 

biggest issue with arena right now is that there is very little for lower level players to join

 

we had 1200 levels and 75 tourneys..then it went to 2600 levels and 60 tourneys..and is still that way..much less to join and more levels spread out- major problem !!  really hurting arena..can you not see this hcs ???

 

how are newer players (levels 1-200) to be able to try arena if there is very very little for them to join ?

 

easy solution that should not be difficult to implement- break arena into brackets - 1-500, 501-1000, 1001-1500, and so forth..some have suggested smaller brackets..500 levels should be good enough..then have 20 tourneys for each bracket available to enter..therefore, no matter what level you are, you should be able to always find a few, everyday to join...the higher your level..more to join everyday..that equals more wins for players. more wins = more players getting addicted to arena..

 

then once a tourney starts- it get replaced into the same bracket...keeping 20 tourneys to join at all times in each bracket...nobody can complain about certain levels being slow to fill and backlogging arena..

 

should help everyone..even eoc players..and they would have quite a bit more to join themselves..more chances for wins..more fun..and would get more players into arena..

 

simple solution that helps everyone that wants to play arena

 

as a note..for those that think having level 2600 players in the level 50 tourneys in unfair..you would be wrong...arena as it is setup, is one of the few things in the game that is fair for all...a level 50 player can beat a level 2600 player in a level 50 tourney..can really easily win at least 1 round and get some tokens..win some tokens and watch those lower level players get addicted to arena..



#2 BigGrim

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Posted 20 November 2015 - 17:41

easy solution that should not be difficult to implement- break arena into brackets - 1-500, 501-1000, 1001-1500, and so forth..some have suggested smaller brackets..500 levels should be good enough..then have 20 tourneys for each bracket available to enter..therefore, no matter what level you are, you should be able to always find a few, everyday to join...the higher your level..more to join every day..that equals more wins for players. more wins = more players getting addicted to arena..


This is what we discussed last time and, as then, I agree. I'll keep poking Hoofmaster and Zorg to see if they agree with this set up too.

#3 drakos333

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Posted 20 November 2015 - 19:13

more tournaments for all lvls may be a start.. but only that... some tournaments take hours and even DAYS to fill... 95% of the fs community has lost interest in the arena... no matter what lvl range i play i seem to run into the same 5-8 players ALL the time! I don't know how to solve the big picture but more tournaments in specific lvl ranges for all to join seems like a good start... arena players/addicts please post your comments/suggestions. we need to keep these arena threads alive! 



#4 yodamus

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Posted 20 November 2015 - 20:38

This is what we discussed last time and, as then, I agree. I'll keep poking Hoofmaster and Zorg to see if they agree with this set up too.

yes..that was months ago..my original thread for this idea was over a year and a half ago..still nothing done..again i ask..why does it take so long to do simple fixes..this is not something that is an overhaul which could takes a long time..i used to program ( now called coding) and i know that this is a simple thing to implement...
 
why is it taking so long to help the game..to help arena..to help get more people involved in arena which in turn could help keep players in the game..help, help and more help....not anything unfair about this idea..probably the only idea i have seen get massive approval from the community ( in my original thread, got massive support )..which i am sure you know ..getting players to agree on something is nearly impossible..

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 16:50

That is how it works currently, except the brackets are about 250 instead of 500...

 

If you create 20 random level games between 1 and 500 and the lower end fill up quicker than the top, eventually all games in that bracket will be at the top end. If you want better distribution of games you need smaller brackets, not bigger.


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#6 yodamus

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 17:58

That is how it works currently, except the brackets are about 250 instead of 500...

 

If you create 20 random level games between 1 and 500 and the lower end fill up quicker than the top, eventually all games in that bracket will be at the top end. If you want better distribution of games you need smaller brackets, not bigger.

sorry zorg..but you do not understand what i am saying..and you are wrong..there are not any brackets right now..never has been..oh well..what can i do when you dont understand...and the lower ones will not fill up first..i guess you just plain dont care about arena or you would understand my solution..instead of fighting it and saying all is good in arena..arena is at its worst time ever..new players have almost zero to join..no reason to buy bp slots..no reason to buy gear..nothing to join...this is costing your company $$$$  ..



#7 Hoofmaster

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 18:06

sorry zorg..but you do not understand what i am saying..and you are wrong..there are not any brackets right now..never has been..oh well..what can i do when you dont understand...and the lower ones will not fill up first..i guess you just plain dont care about arena or you would understand my solution..instead of fighting it and saying all is good in arena..arena is at its worst time ever..new players have almost zero to join..no reason to buy bp slots..no reason to buy gear..nothing to join...this is costing your company $$$$  ..

 

I'm not sure what you mean sorry? Currently it works out the max level the divides it into 10 'bands'. In each of these bands it then ensures there are so many arena games added for that bracket.

 

We're not against improving it, I'm just not sure how what you're proposing is any different to how it currently works?



#8 yodamus

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 22:13

I'm not sure what you mean sorry? Currently it works out the max level the divides it into 10 'bands'. In each of these bands it then ensures there are so many arena games added for that bracket.

 

We're not against improving it, I'm just not sure how what you're proposing is any different to how it currently works?

sorry hoof , not sure what you see..i do not see 10 bands..many days i see a wide difference in tourneys..like today..8 at one time for levels 1-500 ..17 for level 2000+....and that is a lot for a normal day..8 spread between 500 levels..i have a guildmate that wants to play arena but when there is only 1-2 a  day for a level 140ish player..how are they ever going to get into arena..my suggestion is really simple..i think what you are missing is that now 2600 levels..60 tourneys..does not cut it..we had 1200 levels and 75 tourneys..cant you see how that thinned things out to make for far less to join ???   we need many more tourneys , so that when someone checks in on arena..they always have something to join...right now if you were a level 50 player..what you you be able to join ???  - 1 tourney at level 28...most days not even one..you are not helping get players into arena if there is very very litltle to join...ask any arena player about this..read back on a few arena threads..you will see..others notice ..arena is dead..please fix it..

 

also..the way it is now does not replace anything..my idea keep it so that each bracket ( however big or small you wish to make them) get replaced when a tourney starts by a tourney in that same bracket..that does not happen right now..for sure..some days i cant even find but a few to join..at level 600..arena is the most disappointing part of the game..almost all arena players have quit your game from the last few years- because it is no fun anymore and little to join..nothing starts until many hours go by , if not days..how can you accept this as being good ??? i really dont understand..



#9 SirAdmiral

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 22:40

TBH the arena sucks because you're going to get destroyed by some level 1,000 dude even if he is limited to "your" level 25 gear. He or she most likely have the best stuff just lying around. That is why a lot of people don't play *I* think. Why waste the money with joining an arena when Big Guild Inc. is gonna poop on you? It needs to go beyond just having more lower level arenas.

 

Why can't there be two restrictions? The max AL and/or VL and then max equipment level.

 

Arena 1: Max AL / VL - 100, Max Equipment - 50

 

Arena 2: Max AL / VL - 1000, Max Equipment - 50

 

Honestly I wouldn't even put an arena with level 50 gear for a level 1000 player to compete in because there is no reason they should be hoarding that stuff anyways(other than actively selling). You get the point.


Edited by SirAdmiral, 24 November 2015 - 22:42.


#10 yotwehc

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Posted 25 November 2015 - 18:58

Ok since yoda wants input, here is mine. I would like to see more level 0 arenas. Yes. Those are rock-paper-scissors but I join every arena I see that is level 0 and others must like it too as they fill up fast. Gives us dummies a chance. Since no skill is involved I'm ok with a reduced prize for it too ;)

Hopefully they lead to addiction and then to pruning up skills to participate in real arena.

Or maybe a zero level arena weekend. Just to see if people would try it out.

My two cents and what would make me jump back in the ring.
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#11 yodamus

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Posted 25 November 2015 - 19:13

Ok since yoda wants input, here is mine. I would like to see more level 0 arenas. Yes. Those are rock-paper-scissors but I join every arena I see that is level 0 and others must like it too as they fill up fast. Gives us dummies a chance. Since no skill is involved I'm ok with a reduced prize for it too ;)

Hopefully they lead to addiction and then to pruning up skills to participate in real arena.

Or maybe a zero level arena weekend. Just to see if people would try it out.

My two cents and what would make me jump back in the ring.

lol..happy thanksgiving to you chewy...thanksgiving day i will try to get a level 0 tourney started for you, prize will be a turkey leg, cost to enter - some bacon, to help make gravy



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Posted 27 November 2015 - 17:22

A zero level weekend? Fantastic idea!



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Posted 06 December 2015 - 05:56

I agree smaller brackets and more brackets. usually when I look at arenas to enter that are non-novice ... its almost all level 1000-2700. that might be discouraging for a sub 1000 level player.

 

Also, consider degrading entrance fees for arenas that are taking too long to fill up. If someone has already entered the arena, they would get the discount amount returned to them after the arena was done.



#14 yodamus

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 16:30

I'm not sure what you mean sorry? Currently it works out the max level the divides it into 10 'bands'. In each of these bands it then ensures there are so many arena games added for that bracket.

 

We're not against improving it, I'm just not sure how what you're proposing is any different to how it currently works?

hello mr hoof..i hope you are around right now as i am writing this post...please please please look at arena right this moment..you will see 19 of 60 arena tourneys are for level 2000 plus... and you say the arena is fair and your arena is already divided into 10 bands ?????..10 bands ?? really..your arena is nothing like my suggestion..10 bands ???  where ?

 

hogwash...see for yourself right now..i am tried of hearing there is nothing wrong with the spawning of arena...it is horrible..and keeps most all newer players away, nothing to join.....is this want you want >??   1/3 of all tourneys for the elite of fs.. ????  disgusting..please fix your arena..read my idea...do it..fix it..what i see right now makes me sooo mad it is not even funny..you say nothing wrong..i am giving you example right now !!!!  PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS  !!! MR. HOOF

 

while you are at it..get rid of 16 players tourneys..they sit for days ..some weeks..



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Posted 31 December 2015 - 15:40

OPTION 1)

Easy solution is to remove arena. I vote for that

 

Reason for that: same 20-30 people win EVERY single arena. obviously there is some tricks to it that only a few are privy to. 

 

I would prefer all of the rewards be put in AH specials and make them great gold sinks, = )

 

OR

 

OPTION 2)

I would expand the idea of Novice Arenas to not just moves but the number of wins a player has. Meaning, its not really fair for say a player with 10000 wins to go up against someone with 5 wins in a tourney. Yes, same access to gear and arena moves .. buts be honest ... not many people are entering arenas cause of the domination of the top players.

 

Perhaps you could piggy back on the idea of PvP Events with winning so many arenas, then you move up to a new league. Furthermore, I would stagger some additional lower brackets at the early leagues so that everyone can start doing the arenas and build up some wins. While a player buildd up some wins, perhaps they gain a few levels. Which in turn, allows them to enter more arenas. Which in turn, allows them to win more arenas and advance to the next league(s) and EVENTUALLY can compete evenly with top arena players (due to getting some experience at arena, going up some levels (if so desired), and having some FUN in the game).

 

So to recap, I don't think the biggest issue with arena is that the brackets are messed up and people can't enter enough arenas at the lower end ... the biggest issue is competition is stacked against a new arena player trying out arena in the first place. Then the next biggest issue is that most times you log in its only 1000 or higher arenas available to enter.

 

I think this would be the BEST improvement to Arena if you are planning on keeping it at all.


Edited by Windbattle, 31 December 2015 - 15:55.


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Posted 01 January 2016 - 16:44

More trophies (decent ones) will increase activity for sure... just like those pvp ladder chests...

 

and yes increase number of tourneys, maybe 3 tourneys for every 100 level?


Edited by shindrak, 01 January 2016 - 16:46.


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Posted 01 January 2016 - 16:49

OPTION 1)

Easy solution is to remove arena. I vote for that

 

Reason for that: same 20-30 people win EVERY single arena. obviously there is some tricks to it that only a few are privy to. 

 

hehe players who dont play arena much always say that same people winning ...etc

and this same people winning are only people who joined thousands of tourneys losing and winning equally maybe losing more.

 

I stopped playing since i got diamond medal but i can still figure without looking which people win the most, yes they are the ones who never giveup!


Edited by shindrak, 01 January 2016 - 16:54.


#18 Windbattle

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 03:57

Shindrak that is always the response people give to getting rid of Arena. But the Top 250 doesn't lie my friend. After a few hundred wins, only about 50 people or less have more wins than that.  You could say they are the most dedicated to Arena in the game and enter more Arenas, hence they win more Arenas.

 

That is probably true, but it doesn't disprove what I said at all. The same group of people ALWAYS do win the arenas. That is a fact of numbers, can't be disproved .. as evidence by entering into arenas and seeing how wins them + Top 250 list. 

 

Now .. you could say that Arena has always been a part of FS and should stay regardless if the same people always win. Just going to be hard to convince others to spend a lot of their time or gold / FSP on something they will usually, if not always, lose at.

 

 

I was mainly suggesting Option 2 which I feel is the best way to go about saving Arena. I think we can all agree Arena entering is probably at an all time low and that trend isn't changing. The reason is listed above and can be solved by bracketing people by skill level.


Edited by Windbattle, 02 January 2016 - 04:00.


#19 shindrak

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 19:20

 same people always win.

 

 

 

I don't want to make argument of this but i stopped playing arena and got back afew times through my path to the top and every time i see new faces in arena wins more than old faces .

 

even with brackets Arena won't be active unless the reward is decent, very few of players who play for #of wins/medal , i was in the field and i could see who was joining the little gold or little token tourneys and who was joining just for big tokens /gold tourneys and i think its easy to figure the type of those players ,either one looking for profit or one looking for wins or one looking for both :)


Edited by shindrak, 02 January 2016 - 19:25.


#20 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 19:47

For me the main reason to not have much activity at Arena is because the lack of information about it, for me that's the area of the game that needs the more dedication/experimentation on the game, and you really need to sit down and study it, study each loss and win, see what you're missing and mess around with moves, and once you find a move strategy that make you win some Arena, players will adjust to your setup, so you always need to be changing setups to play it.

The only guide we have about Arena is that one by Brice: https://forums.hunte...ena-in-general/

Most of the players wanting to start at it need to have a mentor to help at the start, otherwise will be a painfull place to start playing.

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PS: The argument of 'always the same players win' is not valid, if the same players win some brackets, you just need to build your moves and gear to beat him, it's way easier to build a setup to defeat 1 player, the Top Arena players are there because they can develop better setups to beat the overall players, not a single one.




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