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Poll: Best Player (33 member(s) have cast votes)

What constitutes the best player in the game?

  1. XP (4 votes [12.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.12%

  2. Medals (11 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. Other, please explain (18 votes [54.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 54.55%

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#21 Mister Doom

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 09:20

For the record though, I personally don't agree that being the highest ranked xp player does warrant being given the moniker 'best player' so I AM all in favour of a name change.

 

And while I'm not against a new medal being introduced that could possible better represent a 'overall best player' title, I really don't think it is even possible. Medal counting doesn't work, since there is no way to break a tie that could involve identical medal count using different medals, without giving certain medals preference over others. (which I would be dead-set against)

 

A community poll would be a sham, merely devolving into a popularity contest.

 

Perhaps some kind of behind the scenes checklist the game keeps track of? Something that monitors our precise activity throughout the game, granting medal tick to whichever player scores higher on this? I don't know, even this would fall short as some players spend a lot of time on FS helping other. Their contributions wouldn't necessarily get them any recognition on such a system.

 

Personally I think we just need to rename the current medal...

 

That way people who get offended by the game classifying highest xp players as 'best' are assuaged, HCS don't have to assign resources to a new game-wide tracking system and players who have worked towards these medals already aren't completely done-over.


Edited by Mister Doom, 04 December 2015 - 09:22.

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#22 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 09:28

I think the tie should deserve the same place, like if we get a tie for 1st place, all players tied get 1st place, I don't think that Medal would deserve the name "Best Player Medal", maybe "Top Medal Points" or something like that.

Like, if the highest Medal Points Player have 40,8 Medal Player Points, all players with 40,8 points would also be qualified for 1st place.

I think that medal can introduce a whole new dynamic into the game, where players would play a lot more aspects just to achieve their medals, that for sure would increase activity.



#23 Mister Doom

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 09:34

Sure I'd agree on that, if it was merely called 'Top Medalist'. (or something)

 

That kind of backs up my point on 'best player' medal being impossible to calculate though.

I think we should abandon the prospect altogether.


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#24 SirAdmiral

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 13:17

Most of the medals should not be counted.

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 22:17

Most of the medals should not be counted.

Why?

 

From the responses of players so far almost everyone agrees that the current gauge of using xp to determine "Best Player" is incorrect. That's what I figured. At the very least the title is misleading...


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Posted 04 December 2015 - 23:49

Bling hounds. lol Siccem.  ;)

 

I don't need no stinkin medal to shine. :P

 

Oh what fun we have, just trying to survive.  :)



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Posted 04 December 2015 - 23:50

This game is so much fun. :)

 

I can't get my panties in a bunch about that because by the time it will have any meaning for me it will probably have changed several times over.

 

 

Do have fun with it though.


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Posted 05 December 2015 - 01:33

I think people are hitting their own heads against the wall. 

 

My read: 

 

"Best Player" is misleading and incorrect and needs to be changed. It appears that most agree. If that is agreed, check my post #5 where I've seen the incorrect wording. There could be more...

 

"Best Medals". I like the idea for a completely new player ranking. I see long-term issues, but I don't want to sidetrack even more.

 

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"Strongest", definitely not. In English this is just as ambivalent as "best" is. I think most have pointed out that the medal and rank needs to correctly reflect what it is: XP or level. Nothing more, nothing less.



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Posted 05 December 2015 - 02:18

I think people are hitting their own heads against the wall. 

Your hyperbolic use of an idiomatic expression makes me think of actually hitting my head against a wall. We're just talking semantics. WHATEVER the title is, the ideas expressed in this thread indicate that the "Best Player" medal isn't close to what it sounds like. Words DO matter! Let's call the title what it is: the best xp leveler does not indicate who the Best Player in Fallensword is. My argument is that the best way to determine the "Best Player" is through who attains the best and most medals. I'm looking for objective arguments to counter my assertion.


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#30 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 04:19

I thibk every medal should have the same value.

But everyone agrees on removing Recruiting from those numbers?

#31 yotwehc

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 04:24

10 out of 13 say medals not best way to measure yet still barking up that tree

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 04:36

10 out of 13 say medals not best way to measure yet still barking up that tree

List them and why!


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#33 yotwehc

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 04:50

List them and why!

Sorry I wasn't more clear. As of now, the poll has 10 of 13 saying medals shouldn't be used as a measure of best or whatever you want to call it. I can only speak for 1 of those 10 votes which I posted way back when.

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 06:58

Too many medals, historically, if not currently, were achieved by collusion - and thus aren't as prestigious as they first appear.

 

An example - richest player. The phenomenal amounts of gold that were passed around from player to player, just to achieve that medal, were ... well ... phenomenal.

 

Even medals like the loyalty one are very vague. So I got my Diamond Medal for logging in on, or over, 1080 days. That just means that, theoretically, I spent 1 second / day logging on and then leaving again. It's no indicator of activity per se :)

 

There are a few medals that are "earned" but .. hey, if we wanna just call it "Top Medal Earner", then collusion or not doesn't matter.


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#35 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 09:58

Pros and cons about that new "Top Medalist Medal".

Pros:
Will for sure increase some activity on the game, by players chasing to rise their medal tiers.
Ego thing, by being one of the best "all-around player".
More use of the new Medal Value System (Bronze 1, Silver 1,2, Gold 1,4 and so on).

Cons:
People starting to argue about the value of each kind of Medal.
Can increase collusion. *
Can increase cheating. *

* I think we should not care about it, more someone cheats, easier he is caught.

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First we need to decide if that is really going to happen, then we can fix the minor issues like name, which Medals should or shouldn't be excluded, how to deal with ties, days to acquire bronze/silver/gold/etc.

And for that, we need some kind of answer from HCS crew.


Edited by yghorbeviahn, 05 December 2015 - 09:59.


#36 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 10:07

About the poll itself, took me some time to decide my vote, and I voted on "Other", and I'll explain it.

For me it's impossible to find the best person at the Olympics, that's because we are talking about running, table tennis, swimming and a lot more kind of sports, and that's the same thing here.

But a swimmer got 5 Gold Medals, one at 50m, other on 100m, another on long distance and 2 more on swimming...That makes him the best person on the competition? No, that makes him a really great swimmer, but not even close of bronze on table tennis for example.

So there is really nothing like "Best Player", so that name kinda disturbs me a little. 

But that swimmer got more Medals than anyone else, that makes him what? The "Top Medalist", that makes sense to me.


Edited by yghorbeviahn, 05 December 2015 - 10:10.


#37 Mister Doom

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 10:13

The only medal that should be exempt from the 'top medalist medal' is the top medalist medal itself.

(Since it could theoretically be used to remain 'medal dominant' forever)

 

All of the others should be fair game, but not to determine 'best player', only best medal collector.


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Posted 05 December 2015 - 10:27

The only medal that should be exempt from the 'top medalist medal' is the top medalist medal itself.

(Since it could theoretically be used to remain 'medal dominant' forever)

 

All of the others should be fair game, but not to determine 'best player', only best medal collector.

I'm a little concerned about the Recruiting Medal, that can cause an avalanche of multies being created...Or simply ghost players...That's one I think should not be considered also...



#39 Mister Doom

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 11:32

The phoenix medal suffers from the same possible problem. Players being coerced into playing for a short time so their friends can gain rewards. (Which IMO had a much higher potential for creating a torrent of ghost players)

 

Since we haven't seen this happen, and also seeing as to how HCS don't have an issue with it either. (since recruiter/phoenix apply as equal to other medals for Pride) I personally don't see an issue with it.

 

The only medal that would cause a problem, as I stated, was the new medal itself.


Edited by Mister Doom, 05 December 2015 - 11:38.

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 11:33

Being the best comes from different perspectives but the medals is the closest one to it (imo). Behavior/attitude is only a social/people skill compared to medals but this where I appraise people if determined best or so.

 

Best Player Medal should be indeed renamed.

 

We could call "Top Achiever Medal" for players who collect medal.




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