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Poll: Showing Guilds on Titan Cooldown.. (13 member(s) have cast votes)

Should Guilds on cooldown be visible to other guilds, or not ?

  1. Yes (3 votes [23.08%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  2. No (9 votes [69.23%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 69.23%

  3. Yes, but as a gold-sink option (1 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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#1 Pardoux

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 05:20

I posted a thread about Titan Hunting and showing which guilds were on cooldown

 

(https://forums.hunte...ion-suggestion/)

 

against specific guilds but a better suggestion for the same was brought up by HITTOKIRI so I've asked for my thread deleted or locked and I'm reposting the suggestion but using HITTOKIRI's idea instead of my own ...

To paraphrase ...

Guilds on cooldown should be shown on the  Titan Rewards (http://www.fallenswo...md=titanrewards) against the relevent titan(s) as all titans are listed there.

 

I think this suggestion is much better than the one I made.

 

Now I know this isn't exactly important, but it may encourage more folk to try this activity, if they know that the speediest guilds can't compete against them and that they then actually have a chance of making progress.

On the flip side, I realise that perhaps not hunting against the elite means you won't improve your skills as fast as otherwise, but with all the allegations of scripting, there are certain guild(s) that I would prefer not to waste buffs and potions on, knowing that I've got a snowballs chance in hell of getting anywhere.


 


Edited by Pardoux, 17 January 2016 - 12:29.

Homer : Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals .. except the weasel.

 

Eddie Izzard : The National Rifle Association say that guns don't kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps, you know ? I think it helps. I think just standing there going "BANG" - that's not going to kill too many people, is it ?

 

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but it seems that everything I eat lately turns to poo ...


#2 Egami

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 01:16

Those Guilds who have secured are on a cooldown that is visible to the entire FS Community.



#3 bigchaos

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 02:03

Not sure on this suggestion.  The reason I wonder if there is a way to take the information and abuse it.  My thinking that allie guilds or groups in general could take advantage by grouping together with knowledge a larger guild is on cool-down and make it difficult for smaller guilds have a fair shot if enough of guilds not on cool down group together is one side of issue.  The other is if guilds know a larger titan hunting guild is cool down might bring out more guilds and more competition. 

 

This option leaves me not sure how to vote. I will ponder more to see if this is good idea.  Thanks for bringing the idea to the table.



#4 Pardoux

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 02:43

Those Guilds who have secured are on a cooldown that is visible to the entire FS Community.

 

True, on a list of 5 titans ;)


Homer : Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals .. except the weasel.

 

Eddie Izzard : The National Rifle Association say that guns don't kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps, you know ? I think it helps. I think just standing there going "BANG" - that's not going to kill too many people, is it ?

 

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but it seems that everything I eat lately turns to poo ...


#5 Belaric

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:57

I think I am against this. I think it is a counterintuitive addition that will hurt those it looks like it might help. But I could easily be overthinking it.

 

If everyone has access to all the cooldown data, does that help little guilds, or make it worse for them?

 

I can see it perversely increasing competition on titans once the big two, three, five, whatever are all on cooldown.

 

For example: Little guilds A-Z wait to see that Big Guilds 1-5 are on cooldown, and then little guild A jumps in, only to find that little guilds B-Z all have the same idea! So more competition for the secure and TKP, not less, once the big boys are on cooldown (if they all end up on cooldown at the same time during non-seasonal titan hunting periods). Who wins then? All the little guys cut each others' throats after the big boys (and girls) have had their fun. 

 

This, bizarrely, could make it even easier for the big titan guilds to secure once they get off cooldown, as other guilds may not even bother if they think a big guild is available for a particular titan. The small guilds step aside in advance, the big guilds find titans waiting for them when they are off cooldown.

 

That seems silly to me.

 

So on reflection I'd rather not have this info. I think it is either useless, or may be counterproductive for smaller guilds who may try to time their hunts and find it is as useless as trying to time the stockmarket.

 

Can you imagine not going for a Graganath because you know FFS are not on cooldown, and miss out on a secure because at that time no Fracker is around to take it? Because if you jump in and get 15 minutes alone you'll probably hold your lead. 

 

Suit up and jump in. You make secures at the oddest times because sometimes, even when the dominant titan hunting guilds are not on cooldown, they might not have the personnel available to do the hunt. If you decline to hunt because you think they are off cooldown, you might miss an opportunity. I have personally made great hay in those windows (which cannot be predicted, only lucked into), and you still will not be able to predict when those chances come up with this extra info.

 

This extra info may in fact cause people to miss opportunities by making them wait too long.

 

So, nah to this. 


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#6 Pardoux

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 04:41

You present a good counter-argument there Belaric, damn you LOL.


Homer : Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals .. except the weasel.

 

Eddie Izzard : The National Rifle Association say that guns don't kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps, you know ? I think it helps. I think just standing there going "BANG" - that's not going to kill too many people, is it ?

 

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but it seems that everything I eat lately turns to poo ...


#7 EpicPiety

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 20:07

I think I am against this. I think it is a counterintuitive addition that will hurt those it looks like it might help. But I could easily be overthinking it.

 

If everyone has access to all the cooldown data, does that help little guilds, or make it worse for them?

 

I can see it perversely increasing competition on titans once the big two, three, five, whatever are all on cooldown.

 

For example: Little guilds A-Z wait to see that Big Guilds 1-5 are on cooldown, and then little guild A jumps in, only to find that little guilds B-Z all have the same idea! So more competition for the secure and TKP, not less, once the big boys are on cooldown (if they all end up on cooldown at the same time during non-seasonal titan hunting periods). Who wins then? All the little guys cut each others' throats after the big boys (and girls) have had their fun. 

 

This, bizarrely, could make it even easier for the big titan guilds to secure once they get off cooldown, as other guilds may not even bother if they think a big guild is available for a particular titan. The small guilds step aside in advance, the big guilds find titans waiting for them when they are off cooldown.

 

That seems silly to me.

 

So on reflection I'd rather not have this info. I think it is either useless, or may be counterproductive for smaller guilds who may try to time their hunts and find it is as useless as trying to time the stockmarket.

 

Can you imagine not going for a Graganath because you know FFS are not on cooldown, and miss out on a secure because at that time no Fracker is around to take it? Because if you jump in and get 15 minutes alone you'll probably hold your lead. 

 

Suit up and jump in. You make secures at the oddest times because sometimes, even when the dominant titan hunting guilds are not on cooldown, they might not have the personnel available to do the hunt. If you decline to hunt because you think they are off cooldown, you might miss an opportunity. I have personally made great hay in those windows (which cannot be predicted, only lucked into), and you still will not be able to predict when those chances come up with this extra info.

 

This extra info may in fact cause people to miss opportunities by making them wait too long.

 

So, nah to this. 

Defense attorney Belaric reporting for duty! Heh

 

--- I secure most of my titans at about 3-5 am EST when there is no competition around :) which like you stated is the best course of action...Sneak them in at oddball times!

 

- I find anywhere from 3 pm - 12 pm EST is the absolute WORST time to hunt if you want no competition.

 

- I find TH has many more elements to it than just raw speed. While being quick on the map definitely helps it isn't everything. I find choosing the right times to hunt definitely outweighs raw speed.

 

- I consider myself to be one of the faster hunters in FS and can only handle about 2-3 players depending on how fast they are breaking even. Anymore than that and i need backup...If i start late i also need backup to play catch up. It's much more effective to just strategically pick time to TH.


Edited by EpicPiety, 18 January 2016 - 20:16.


#8 Belaric

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 22:41

meh

 

 

 

I am very good at Titan Hunting. I know almost everyone I'm going to race against and I cannot beat 3.

 

I can beat 2 in some situations, if they are badly prepared, or split the screen badly.

 

To claim to be able to beat 3 alone is a large boast.

 

I have never done so, and I have hunted titans to diamond. 

 

EDIT> I have never beaten 3 from the same guild. Beating 3 from different guilds... I have come second, and first sometimes without making the secure, but trying to win against one guild with three on the same screen is very very difficult. 


Edited by Belaric, 18 January 2016 - 23:19.

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#9 RebornJedi

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 23:19

One fast hunter could beat a handful of poor hunters.. It depends on what hunters you are going against

 


#10 Belaric

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 23:29

One fast hunter could beat a handful of poor hunters.. It depends on what hunters you are going against

Agreed. 

 

I just disagree with the impression EP gave that he could handle 2-3 hunters depending on how fast they were breaking even. From 2-3 different guilds, fine, I've been there and nobody has secured, unless someone had a decent lead before the others showed up.  If I am facing 2-3 from the same guild, I need a big lead, or I'm going to lose.

 

I was having a pedantic moment. 


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#11 EpicPiety

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 00:15

Agreed. 

 

I just disagree with the impression EP gave that he could handle 2-3 hunters depending on how fast they were breaking even. From 2-3 different guilds, fine, I've been there and nobody has secured, unless someone had a decent lead before the others showed up.  If I am facing 2-3 from the same guild, I need a big lead, or I'm going to lose.

 

I was having a pedantic moment. 

Well the problem is people have different methods of securing...People don't go to every spawn etc etc... I am in a HUGE advantage if they chase every spawn. I go to 95% of spawns... Naturally if your slower than me i'll beat you by the same margin give or take everytime which grows my lead at a consistent pace. If you were to put me up against the average FS TH i could probably break even against 2... Surely i'd have a problem if they were strategic in their securing strategy...Zoning is my worst nightmare...THERE IS MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE TO TH...Strategy people! use it :).



#12 Egami

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 01:40

True, on a list of 5 titans ;)

No, there is no limit to this. Dang, for once I was trying to keep it short. I'll try to keep it short:

 

Watch the news archives. This tells you exactly what Guilds have secured and when. 

 

This is the info I was talking about. 

 

Now the five you are talking about is equally available to those that have purchased the Scout Tower 1 upgrade.

 

The reality of the matter is that a serious Titan Hunting guild (or simply, player) could follow this information and have a reasonable handle on who is cooled down when.  

 

That, of course, would require some work. Oh wait, did I just put forth a strategy for seasonals? 

 

The above is hopefully more helpful. My post #2 wasn't really a for or against, just an info piece. 

 

Now to read everything between here and post #4. 

 

Currently, still thinking this is an interesting idea. Not sure if it will change my idea in the prior thread: "What I have doubts about is: Should that be "free" info? Or should it be included in Scout Tower 1, 2, 3 or a new 4? "



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 01:53

Read post 5 and loved the counter-argument which I think is right on. 

 

Appreciated the free info offered in post #7. I find timing to be key (especially in the stock market, lol). I use timing in other FS game aspects. Do NOT underestimate it's power.

 

So all things read up to here: Scout Tower 4? 

 

EDIT: I'm still not sure how to vote. I'm maybe too pro-gold sink so am leaning more towards "Yes as a gold-sink option.

 

Is there a negative to having this option? For me, post #5 is how it could "go wrong". But that is a player/Guild decision. 

 

Back to the original thread, I'd lean more towards it if it got more guilds to buy level 2 or 3. Now I'm thinking that level 4 might be a nice gold-sink addition. Would people buy it? I think so. 

 

Would it make me buy 2, 3 or 4? No. But if others did... well, I'd still go for it, I guess. Any thoughts on that?


Edited by Egami, 19 January 2016 - 02:00.


#14 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 03:07

For me the next Scout Tower level should contain:

1 - Show more Titans killed:
(Right now I have information about the last 19 Titans we killed)

2 - Show the TKP Bonus we receive for each Titan we didn't secured.
I can only see the % of each hunter, but not the bonus we get for killing it.



#15 Pardoux

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 03:37

Egg carton (sorry, couldn't resist after you mispelling my name LOL)- stop bringing up the scout-tower - that thread got closed 'cos of this different idea ;)

 

Actually, I think this thread seems to have pretty much run it's course concerning showing titan cooldowns - Belarics counter-argument makes a lot of sense and made me change my mind about it.

 

For upgrades regarding the scout tower, please start another thread.


Homer : Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals .. except the weasel.

 

Eddie Izzard : The National Rifle Association say that guns don't kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps, you know ? I think it helps. I think just standing there going "BANG" - that's not going to kill too many people, is it ?

 

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but it seems that everything I eat lately turns to poo ...


#16 Lahona

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 08:43

I'd just like to point out that the Tavern news and the scout tower do not give information on all guilds on cooldown.  There will be some guilds on cooldown from making a TKP purchase of the epic.




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