I think you're missing the thought process or I'm missing what you're saying...
Between you and grim, who used the pot that brought $60 of income into HCS?
Spent no money... That 60 dollars was gonna be spent regardless of the chest...
Posted 27 February 2016 - 00:46
I think you're missing the thought process or I'm missing what you're saying...
Between you and grim, who used the pot that brought $60 of income into HCS?
Spent no money... That 60 dollars was gonna be spent regardless of the chest...
Posted 27 February 2016 - 01:03
Spent no money... That 60 dollars was gonna be spent regardless of the chest...
Odd then... thanks, sincerely, for donating to the game EP.
So basically, you are complaining about getting a PTW button for something you would have done anyway.
That's all well and good. I do find it hard to believe that you didn't adjust your timetable on the donation based on the Special Offer.
Regardless, I'd "assume" (and you know what they say, lmao, about that) that you'd agree that the, in your opinion, overpowered pot is a good income source for HCS.
To put it in another light... if your opponent and yourself both donated $60 to the game and used the pot... hmm, that's a double-win for the entire FS community.
Again, I fail to see the problem. Nerfing the pot would not help either of you or the game.
Posted 27 February 2016 - 01:10
Odd then... thanks, sincerely, for donating to the game EP.
So basically, you are complaining about getting a PTW button for something you would have done anyway.
That's all well and good. I do find it hard to believe that you didn't adjust your timetable on the donation based on the Special Offer.
Regardless, I'd "assume" (and you know what they say, lmao, about that) that you'd agree that the, in your opinion, overpowered pot is a good income source for HCS.
To put it in another light... if your opponent and yourself both donated $60 to the game and used the pot... hmm, that's a double-win for the entire FS community.
Again, I fail to see the problem. Nerfing the pot would not help either of you or the game.
Well i ask you one question... Adding game breaking things for profit...Is that really profiting in the long run? Instant teleport on a titan is just absurd.
Posted 27 February 2016 - 01:16
Posted 27 February 2016 - 01:45
Well i ask you one question... Adding game breaking things for profit...Is that really profiting in the long run? Instant teleport on a titan is just absurd.
You'd have to think about whether it's "game-breaking". That's what I disagree with.
$60 bucks a pot to allow someone in game to secure... more if two or more don't use their heads. I don't think it changes the basic strategy of the whole thing.
Obviously, it'll bum me out. True, I could waste pots on the thing, but, in essence, I wonder just how much things change.
Titan Hunting is meant to be a Guild activity. One with the instant Teleport will have an advantage for sure even against an entire Guild that goes to the task in the way it was meant to be...
But in the end it's the same. You "may" get a so-called "win button" at a cost of $60 per shot. I get "screwed" by only being able to be second.... but then I know you're out for seven days. And really, if I'd done it right... well, yeah. I agree, it's debatable.
My thought is that most who donate would probably stock up and use for seasonals, but there's no telling.
For me, I'm happy to allow people to use this pot as an instant Teleport if they are paying $60 for it. I think it's a positive all around.
EDIT: left out a "y" in "the" on the last sentence.
Edited by Egami, 27 February 2016 - 01:47.
Posted 27 February 2016 - 01:57
Posted 27 February 2016 - 02:03
lmao at post#26...
Beyond that, in my "evil" way, I'd hope that everybody invokes the same strategy and donates and then saves for the seasonals.
See, then HCS would get big bucks in the next 70 hours on the offer... only to find that instead of the so-called PTW... they'd be paying to compete normally, lmao.
EDIT: Thought maybe I needed to make it clearer. This is, for me, the perfect example of why the whole PTW is a fallacy. In this example, it's a lot clearer since those that pay might actually be up against others that do as well. In fact, the option of buying this pot would be a big "W" for the entire FS community but might end up being not such a "win button".
All the other discussions on the issue are a lot more debatable. But the reality is that people are thinking that people putting money into the game in order to do "X" is unfair.
I have a hard time believing that. Of course, I would hope that those that believe it would drop even more money into the game to get whatever it is they want.
In my case, I simply can't lose by people paying to be better than me.
Edited by Egami, 27 February 2016 - 02:33.
Posted 27 February 2016 - 02:35
Posted 27 February 2016 - 02:39
Posted 27 February 2016 - 02:40
That potion isn't 60 dollars its free...?
We are all too addicted to OP buffs...God help us
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Posted 27 February 2016 - 03:00
@ post #28... I really don't see the issue with that. Take the entire pot out of the equation and it's (practically) the same.
It's only because of the stam save that I put the "practically" in quotes. But again... $60 more for the game. I'm all for it.
I still don't get why people think HCS trying to increase profit is "bad".
Let's just say that the players who have posted from #27 on get the pot... Then, is it PTW?
Does that make it clearer?
Sure, those that pay have an advantage. Personally, I think that sucks based on my RL perspective. But... really?
OMG... it is so unfair because that chick has a Ferrari and she actually paid for it!!!!
Posted 27 February 2016 - 03:31
That potion isn't 60 dollars its free...?
Still takes $60 to get the potion into the game.. Doesn't matter if the player donating wants to sell it for ingame currency or not...
Perfectly said, right?
We are all too addicted to OP buffs...God help us
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I'm not, but I'd be stoked if you are... ,oP
Posted 27 February 2016 - 15:59
hmm..maybe i am missing something..but the pot is only a 1 time use pot..used , done , end of that one..yea it may make things slightly unfair for a few titans, but they will go away or be used in a different way...every 60 bucks donated to the game has to be good for the cows and business...and i think we all want their business to thrive..or no fallensword... from what i seen..titans are still going to be left for garbage time once they are secured..so easy tkps for whoever want them...more than one way to get that epic
Posted 27 February 2016 - 23:42
Everything I know about Titan hunting can be held in a very small thimble. That being said, what is the difference between a buff enhanced 192 teleport buff with a level 10 temporal tower and a level 200 teleport pot?
It's actually level 230 if used with Distil 150 (Z. Brew), which basically translates to zero teleport cooldown (225 - 230 = -5 sec CD). With level 192 teleport + level 10 temporal tower, it's a 13-second cooldown (225 - 192 - (10 * 2) = 13 sec CD). Huge difference.
Buff Enhancer = For every 20 points in the skill, it adds +1 points to the buffs cast while it is active. Does not work with Teleport, Merchant or Treasure Hunter
as you can see Buff Enhancer does NOT work with Teleport so:
Teleport 175 (50 sec cooldown) VS Teleport 230 (-5 sec / NO cooldown) => HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!
Edited by mary4ever, 27 February 2016 - 23:53.
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Posted 27 February 2016 - 23:48
Buff Enhancer = For every 20 points in the skill, it adds +1 points to the buffs cast while it is active. Does not work with Teleport, Merchant or Treasure Hunter
as you can see Buff Enhancer does NOT work with Teleport so:
Teleport 175 (50 sec cooldown) VS Teleport 230 (-5 sec / NO cooldown) => HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!
Thanks for the correction, mary. So the gap between the two is much more evident.
Posted 28 February 2016 - 00:22
"usually" I would agree that the Runic Dwarven Chest can be used 1 time on a titan & then have to wait 7 days to use it again BUT this 7 days cooldown can be easily avoided & exploited !!!
Teleport = Allows the player to teleport within their current realm. Ability has a 225 second cooldown, reduced by 1 second for each skill level.
Teleport 230 ALONE without Temporal Beacon or Temporal Shift has ZERO cooldown !!!

that means a guild-less player can get a ZERO cooldown with the help of the Runic Dwarven Chest !!!
EXPLOIT
during seasonal titan events a guild-less player only needs to wait about 2 days for the big guilds / fast hunters to be on cooldown & then has 5 days left to secure the same titan as "many times as he wants" !!!
the Runic Dwarven Chest will give him distilled Teleport 230 !!!
this player can secure the same titan over & over again because Titan cooldowns only apply to players in a guild & NOT to guild-less players !!!
COUNTER-EXPLOIT
Titan Hunting should be ONLY possible if you are in a GUILD !!!
then it will be impossible for any player to use this EXPLOIT !!! ![]()
grim keeps reminding as over & over again that Titan Hunting is a GUILD ACTIVITY & I totally agree with him so why not make it OFFICIAL too? ![]()
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Posted 28 February 2016 - 00:57
this player can secure the same titan over & over again because Titan cooldowns only apply to players in a guild & NOT to guild-less players !!!
Shouldn't this exploit be addressed regardless of the potion?
I still don't see how having instant Teleport hurts. If anything it neutralizes the scripters who have already made a bundle. Better late then never.
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Posted 28 February 2016 - 01:29
this player can secure the same titan over & over again because Titan cooldowns only apply to players in a guild & NOT to guild-less players !!!
*waits for the inevitable "cooldowns should be on players, not guilds as this will solve the problem" argument to be trotted out again.
Keep GUILD cooldown, but invoke GUILDLESS PLAYER cooldown too or, as Mary says, stop GUILDLESS players from participating in the first place.
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Posted 28 February 2016 - 01:50
How many of these runic chests have been bought? The teleport potion is in one of three options.
I'm seeing a lot of skirt clutching and jumping up onto a stool as a mouse runs across the floor.
Should individual players be punished because of a potion HCS introduced?
Especially when some of the players very concerned about negative effects from this potion are those in large titan hunting dominant guilds?
Should individuals who like to titan hunt be forced into a guild?
Those are a few questions.
I like Egami's point (now paraphrased) that nothing would be funnier than a bunch of folk who have paid for their instant teleport finding themselves racing each other for a titan secure. $60 to keep HCS going, and perhaps FS going, and then negligible in-game advantage. Amusing.
Of course a number of people could co-ordinate to buy these potions, leave their guilds, titan hunt individually, then rejoin their parent guilds and then hold the rest of the game to ransom for some future titan epic drops. That would be terrible. Someone might profit.
Newsflash - the game lived through being held to ransom for Titan drops already - when FFS won every hunt (overstatement - they won a significantly high % of the titan releases) in sight in the early days. The game didn't end then, though it certainly did change.
A large number of people in this thread seem to assume that game breaking numbers of this chest will be bought. How many people play this game? Of that number how many donate regularly? Of that number, how many are prepared to up donate now for an advantage that might be negated by another special offer between now and the next seasonal titan release?
I look forward to HCS's response to the speculations on this thread come Monday.
Having a legal instant teleport in the game is a switch.
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