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#81 Pythia

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:11

I guess Jim, Joe and Bob have weekend things to do with the wife and kiddies and can't play the game again til Monday.

 

At 24 hours it starts on Friday night is done by Saturday.... Starts Saturday  eve is done by Sunday.

 

lol foolish me, I thought everyone was retired like me, didn't have to work anymore and could spend all the time they wanted looking here and there and anywhere.



#82 EpicPiety

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:12

most maybe -- not all -- I do NOT have a smart phone of any description!

 

I don't know if you have noticed, many guilds will initiate a GvG and then do nothing for hours -- buffing guild members under those circumstances is just wasteful of stam, especially when it is not your guild attempting to farm or profit from the GvG.

 

You consider one side is refusing to accept the other -- well maybe they are.  Many players in FS do not like to be hit under any circumstances and saying they should spend copious amounts of stam defending something they didn't ask for, ruining any chance they might have of completing their own or their guild's goals is just showing your ignorance and again your personal greed.

 

Cheers!

Greed? I don't even GvG and neither does my guild? You obviously have a personal agenda against me because the things you are posting are just baseless and make no sense. I'm posting hardcore evidence and fact's and you essentially are just trolling. I'll leave it at this essentially 1 RP is worth 1 FSP it's not a waste to defend your guild... Even if you are gaining nno materialistic benefit you should still be defending your guild anyways. If you think it's a waste to defend your guild in return you are the ignorant and greedy one. I can't even with you i'm ignoring you and i'll let people read through the dialog and form an opinion themselves. LOL


Edited by EpicPiety, 08 March 2016 - 05:13.


#83 Lahona

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:13

Even if offline in good defensive gear, without the right buffs and preferably cloak (which cannot be buffed) anyone can be beaten by the attacking player if they know their buffs.

 

Attacking guilds rarely make their attacks when there is a high level member of the defending guild online to buff the targets.



#84 Pythia

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:18

No, just have lives outside the game.  That does not make them a multi.

 

Work. School. Wife and kids with everything that goes with that.

 

And this is a very small guild I've looked at. I've looked at a lot of them.

 

Me I'm retired and have lots of time to play devils advocate.



#85 EpicPiety

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:19

I guess Jim, Joe and Bob have weekend things to do with the wife and kiddies and can't play the game again til Monday.

 

At 24 hours it starts on Friday night is done by Saturday.... Starts Saturday  eve is done by Sunday.

 

lol foolish me, I thought everyone was retired like me, didn't have to work anymore and could spend all the time they wanted looking here and there and anywhere.

You went from repair's are costing me a fortune GvG needs to be stopped to totally veering away from it and presenting baseless hypothetical's as a counter argument. Hypothetically speaking jim,joe and bob might wanna look into recruiting :P. They can't even be gvged if there are only 3 people anyways. But no Jim, Joe and Bob probably have no care for the game to recruit :P. Looks like jim,joe, and bob don't want to try to address and fix the problem themselves they'd rather complain and be exempt from GvG hypothetically speaking.


Edited by EpicPiety, 08 March 2016 - 05:23.


#86 Lahona

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:19

You are now showing your ignorance of me.  I helped my guild successfully defend 4 of the last 5 GvGs started against us.  Of those 4 we even won 1 due to my buffs and a fellow guildie swapping his epics for a buffable set up.  The net result was I didn't have enough stam when the last global started to be able to get in the top 100, a personal goal of mine that I sacrificed for my guild.



#87 EpicPiety

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:22

Me I'm retired and have lots of time to play devils advocate.

You are playing the devil's advocate without even educating yourself in the topic. Repair costs are essentially less than 1000 gold... Which i showed you earlier. Unbreakable buff can be cast by the majority of FS players...Which i also linked.



#88 Lahona

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:24

You are playing the devil's advocate without even educating yourself in the topic. Repair costs are essentially less than 1000 gold... Which i showed you earlier. Unbreakable buff can be cast by the majority of FS players...Which i also linked.

 

IF there is a player online that knows there is a need for UB to be cast!



#89 Pythia

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:24

You still have no idea what I'm talking about and that it's about me.

 

Should I be surprised? I'm not.

 

EP,  I'm talking about one of many small guilds in FS.   NOT my guild.  Just a few folk that play during the week and do family things on the weekend.



#90 Pythia

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:27

You don't get it, I'm sorry.



#91 EpicPiety

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:28

EP,  I'm talking about one of many small guilds in FS.   NOT my guild.  Just a few folk that play during the week and do family things on the weekend.

What's stopping them from recruiting? There are plenty of guildless players everyday that are looking for a guild. Recruit some of the new players that join the game... Offer to Pay them once the rp item is sold for defending etc etc... If they aren't going to recruit players so they have players playing on the weekend essentially it's self inflicted. The games highest activity is fri-sunday. Won't be hard to find some lower level pal they can invite. "They" whoever they may be have every opportunity to defend properly they just chose not too.


Edited by EpicPiety, 08 March 2016 - 05:30.


#92 EpicPiety

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:34

I doubt the majority of FS players play mon-friday and abstain from playing at all sat-sunday... Seem's like a minor issue you are trying to argue for because you can no longer argue about repair costs being devastating to do with GvG.

 

Off to bed cheerio... Make sure to tell those guild's about master smith buff in AH/bazzar... Save them some gold.



#93 Pythia

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 05:36

Not many players want small guilds, they may  not want large guilds either.  

 

You can bring people into a guild you can not make them stay.

 

I hope they can get enough people to join and stay with them, other wise things will stay as I have seen them.

 

 

Again, this is not about me and my guild. We are just fine.

 


Edited by Pythia, 08 March 2016 - 05:37.


#94 EpicPiety

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 06:06

Something came to mind that i forget to bring up when i was working on getting to sleep. Getting GvGed is actually a good thing. You have nothing to lose other than few dozen gp's for master smith buff and GvG ratio. While the only thing you have to gain is RP because you gain RP even from losing. RP is 1:1 fsp right now just about sometimes more...especially if you invent. 

 

If a super small guild attacks us and stays super composing buffed the whole time we just hit to lose for the free rp.


Edited by EpicPiety, 08 March 2016 - 06:10.


#95 EpicPiety

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 21:55

Figured i'd throw this in here... Benefits of defense is described right here.

 

 

A guild GvGed us we chose to defend Here is our bonus...Approx 30 RP worth of FSPs which amounts to anywhere from 25-50 fsps depending on how you choose to use it.

 

20:45 08/Mar/2016 Your conflict with ********** resulted in a draw. Your GvG rating was unaffected and you gained 30 Guild RP.

 

We tied... Note our benefit...Way extra RP even though we both had flawless GvGs.


Edited by EpicPiety, 08 March 2016 - 22:31.


#96 TxLxS

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 00:57

Can't we all get along children.

#97 EpicPiety

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 01:13

Can't we all get along children.

I believe there has been a lot of insightful posts here. Maybe some people actually learned a thing or two here to help them ingame :). Which would be great the forum is supposed to be an educational place.


Edited by BigGrim, 11 March 2016 - 11:49.
Unwanted attention and flame baiting removed.


#98 Uncle Beg

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 01:33

Piety, your example of the draw doesn't address Pythia's point.

If the attacking guild  has only 1-2 targets for the defending guild to hit back, how is the defending guild going to force a draw when those 2 targets are fully bufffed and armed?  This scenario continues to happen week after week. Even if Pythia is online and buffed her guldies, the attacking guild still has a lot of advantages.

 

All the GvG that took place against Bushido, none of the attackers finished it 1 or 2 hours.  Our team counter the attacks and finished it less than 1 hour.  If we only have 1-2 targets, we don't even bother.  If there is an incentive for the defending guild to finish 1st, we'll do it in a heart beat.

 

Here's an example from Bushido.

Our 2 Samurai countered and finished the 100 hits GvG less than 30 minutes.  The ATTACKING GUILD couldn't or wouldn't hit us for a long time (9 hours).  If the Attacking Guild cannot finish the GvG before the defending guild, I don't think they should get the FULL RP for completing hits.

 

19:45 08/Mar/2016  Your conflict with ATTACKING GUILD resulted in a draw. Your GvG rating was unaffected and you gained 30 Guild RP.
16:08 08/Mar/2016  SAMURAI_B is participating in the conflict against the guild ATTACKING GUILD.
16:06 08/Mar/2016  SAMURAI_A is participating in the conflict against the guild ATTACKING GUILD.
10:42 08/Mar/2016  To arms! PLAYERA from the guild ATTACKING GUILD has initiated a conflict with your guild.


Edited by beg2lose, 09 March 2016 - 01:44.


#99 EpicPiety

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:00

Piety, your example of the draw doesn't address Pythia's point.

If the attacking guild  has only 1-2 targets for the defending guild to hit back, how is the defending guild going to force a draw when those 2 targets are fully bufffed and armed?  This scenario continues to happen week after week. Even if Pythia is online and buffed her guldies, the attacking guild still has a lot of advantages.

 

All the GvG that took place against Bushido, none of the attackers finished it 1 or 2 hours.  Our team counter the attacks and finished it less than 1 hour.  If we only have 1-2 targets, we don't even bother.  If there is an incentive for the defending guild to finish 1st, we'll do it in a heart beat.

 

Here's an example from Bushido.

Our 2 Samurai countered and finished the 100 hits GvG less than 30 minutes.  The ATTACKING GUILD couldn't or wouldn't hit us for a long time (9 hours).  If the Attacking Guild cannot finish the GvG before the defending guild, I don't think they should get the FULL RP for completing hits.

 

19:45 08/Mar/2016  Your conflict with ATTACKING GUILD resulted in a draw. Your GvG rating was unaffected and you gained 30 Guild RP.
16:08 08/Mar/2016  SAMURAI_B is participating in the conflict against the guild ATTACKING GUILD.
16:06 08/Mar/2016  SAMURAI_A is participating in the conflict against the guild ATTACKING GUILD.
10:42 08/Mar/2016  To arms! PLAYERA from the guild ATTACKING GUILD has initiated a conflict with your guild.

Unfortunately that's a downfall of having a small guild. You have less targets while defending your guild sometimes... Not always but sometimes. But at the same time when initiating GvG's you have a vast amount of targets because you get to chose the guild you initiate on. It's all strategy :P. Check's and balances all in place for GvG. There is no Clear one sided advantage without a disadvantage for the opposite.

 

Btw i don't think that was pythia's point she was only talking about farming... Broadly at that with weak arguements. At least i didn't pick up on it and i was reading her points quite thoroughly. Maybe i did miss it though?

 

There should never be an advantage without something counterbalancing it...  It would be very exploitable by people of vast knowledge to do with the respective aspect. Anyone that would disagree with this would in return favor no Titan CD. Now i don't necessarily agree with Titan CD myself. Don't get me wrong over the time I've grown to think it's a necessity so some degree but i believe the current CD rate is too extreme and punishing. i just believe that the checks and balances are a tad bit off. But that's totally debatable and an entirely different topic. But i wanted to use this as a good analogy because many people fancy CD. Because you can't deny the direct correlation.


Edited by EpicPiety, 09 March 2016 - 02:10.


#100 tuvok77

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Posted 10 March 2016 - 13:06

Easy heres a sneak peak on what to expect:

 

Big lvling guild, Big angle of attack, Big chance of retaliation.

+Buffers

+Coordination and enough gear for retaliation

+High chance to make the enemy miss due to enhancments

-If no gear policy, guild is defenceless

-If no activity policy, guild is defenceless

-If guild is inept to handle GvG, expect high repair costs

 

Conclusion: BUFF YOUR PLAYERS, Or dont hold any players in lvl ranges below lvl 300, have a GvG squad ready for lvl ranges 50-100, 100-150, 150-200....




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