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#41 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:34

Not everyone has access to High level Composers in the Guild nor the means to employ a traveller.

Everyone has equal opportunity to compose. It's only like 5k gold a brew. That's fairly cheap. You'll also find now that the majority of FS players have access to highish level composing and this will only grow as time goes on. 



#42 BigGrim

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:40

I said that this is not a thread for bashing Composing yet again. Please drop it.



#43 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:46

 

I said that this is not a thread for bashing Composing yet again. Please drop it.

Okay, was just trying to discuss how to make arena potions viable again which was to do with the OP. For the lack of a better term bashing sure but was just trying to facilitate debate to do with OP. Will drop my argument i guess. I can't really think of another point to discuss to do with making arena potions viable other than not mirroring any skills to do with composing. Maybe bring new potions into arena that aren't trumped by composing. Such as someone earlier said. Guess fumble/invigorate/overkill/some of those mysterious buffs that never got added in game on the AH menu. That's about the only other way i can possibly think to revive arena potions. Also think BM 350 has it's merit too.



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:51

Like I said, make suggestions. I'll look into it. I have the data on what's in Composing and where the buffs are for potions through the game. Whether they are in donation potions, PvP Ladder, Arena and what not. This is NOT to "discuss" Composing.



#45 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:55

Like I said, make suggestions. I'll look into it. I have the data on what's in Composing and where the buffs are for potions through the game. Whether they are in donation potions, PvP Ladder, Arena and what not. This is NOT to "discuss" Composing.

Yup i apologize, i just thought it was on topic. I still do but i'll drop it.

 

 

Maybe bring new potions into arena that aren't trumped by composing. Such as someone earlier said. Guess fumble/invigorate/overkill/some of those mysterious buffs that never got added in game on the AH menu. That's about the only other way i can possibly think to revive arena potions. Also think BM 350 has it's merit too.

 

Guess i'll suggest this then. Guess it could work but to what extent idk. I'll always go with the cheapest most efficient route and so will everyone else i assume. Need to drive the demand up somehow. Needs to be unique potions i think.


Edited by EpicPiety, 22 March 2016 - 15:58.


#46 BigGrim

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 16:14

 

LF 600 -  LF 1000 pot *CHANGE*

 

Maybe. Depends on other existing potion levels.

 

Con 250 - Con 350 *CHANGE*

 

Yeah. Not bad.

 

Lib 300 - Lib 350 *CHANGE*

 

Yeah. Not bad.

 

BM 300 - BM 350 *CHANGE*

 

Yeah. Not bad.

 

Fumble 200 potion *NEW*

 

Not even available to EoC yet. Not happening yet.

 

Anchored 350 potion *NEW*

 

Maybe.

 

Stalker 350 potion *NEW*

 

Nope. The most powerful version of the buff in the game is 300 and you have to get to level 24 in Composing for that. 

 

Overkill 400 potion *NEW*

 

Maybe.

 

This is what I mean. I consider what is available via existing potions and where they come from as well as Composing.



#47 yotwehc

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 16:16

chewy how fun is lvl 100 if its gonna be a special buff for composing/chest/arena/ladder, BG wont wanna instant overpower tho i bet he dont want 'that isnt gonna do much, waste of an update' ;) lvl 250 looks way cooler, no need to joke 1000 looks cooler than 250 as then thats rediculous, we have lvl 175 buffs, 250 i say for specialty buffs :)

Gotta start small :)
The new buffs I suggested do not exist anywhere in the game so best to start small, judge the game impact and slowly ratchet it up. ZB is a good example of a buff that stays small but still worth a lot ;)

#48 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 16:28

There is actually a limited time level 1000 stalker :P. But it's limited. I also tend to considered AL/CON/LIB and buffs like that to be associated with arena. Growing up always having to buy those arena pots to level efficiently :). That's why i suggested the level i did. I have no problem with other aspects such as composing/scavenge pot's/etc being focused on stat boosters primarily. But i think personally arena potions should be focused on XP gain :). I don't think overlapping is good. Have each potion aspect dominate a certain part of the buff market. Example scavenging/composing focus on stat boosters... Potion inventing be focused on stat reduction. Arena potions focused on xp gain. Etc... That's just some rough thoughts...Thinking out loud here. Think that's the best way to balance out potions as a whole :).



#49 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 16:30

Anchored 350 potion *NEW*

I take this back since it's already available in ladder. Maybe replace with fortitude 250 instead of adding anchored 350.


Edited by EpicPiety, 22 March 2016 - 16:31.


#50 yodamus

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 21:15

all i ask BG , is that something get decided on and put into the game a.s.a.p  ... arena needs some attention badly..used to have so much fun playing arena..now i rarely get to see a tourney go off live.. get about 1 win a week if that..killed my enjoyment of arena..little to join..prizes not worth playing for..please fix arena bg..you have loads of skills and buffs to choose from..i trust you can make some good pots..just please dont let this takes months to do..



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 22:31

Arena potions are certainly something I can look at. Just give some suggestions.
 
Fallen Sword is doing just fine, that's why there IS constant work done on it. Now, stay on topic please. 
 
Topic : Arena potions.


Thanks for looking into this BG :)

I wasn't asking for Arena pots to be as potent as composing pots..Composers have invested and worked very hard to get to the level they are at in composing and my hats off to them... I would just like to see a simple upgrade to existing potion that are currently in the Arena Store(but not going to argue about new ones either) ;) let's keep this as simple as possible....
Here are my suggestions on upgrades to the potions:

Enchanted boots lvl 100

Enchanted helm lvl 100

Enchanted weapon lvl 1250

Librarian lvl 350

Flinch lvl 300

Terrorize lvl 300

Last ditch lvl 300

Twinkle toes lvl 1250

Brew master is fine where it is...

See where I'm going here...I would like to see a few potions just below max composing pots but higher than they currently are, maybe a few that match but cost more to acquire them...this gives a simple boost in Arena activity and doesn't crash the value of composing

Thanks again for listening :)

#52 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 22:52

Thanks for looking into this BG :)

I wasn't asking for Arena pots to be as potent as composing pots..Composers have invested and worked very hard to get to the level they are at in composing and my hats off to them... I would just like to see a simple upgrade to existing potion that are currently in the Arena Store(but not going to argue about new ones either) ;) let's keep this as simple as possible....
Here are my suggestions on upgrades to the potions:

Enchanted boots lvl 100

Enchanted helm lvl 100

Enchanted weapon lvl 1250

Librarian lvl 350

Flinch lvl 300

Terrorize lvl 300

Last ditch lvl 300

Twinkle toes lvl 1250

Brew master is fine where it is...

See where I'm going here...I would like to see a few potions just below max composing pots but higher than they currently are, maybe a few that match but cost more to acquire them...this gives a simple boost in Arena activity and doesn't crash the value of composing

Thanks again for listening :)

Maybe the one's better than composing can only be won through winning a 16 man tournament... Everyone has stock piles of tokens atm will kill it instantly. Like con 350/lib 350/lf 1250 be like *Epics* of the arena... That way it wouldn't even effect the composing versions as much because they would be limited :).


Edited by EpicPiety, 22 March 2016 - 22:54.


#53 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 22:53

I believe 70%+ of the game have easy access to lvl max Composing potions, and who don't is just logging in every few days, burning stamina and going off again for days...Because everyone who play this game on a daily basis must have realised that Composing is 90% of the game now, and you need to be somewhere where you can have it.

My point is, I think some Arena pots should match the Composed ones, of course people will not care to buy it if we can get it cheaper via Composing, but for those who don't have access to the highest potions that would say: "do you see how powerfull this potion is? now imagine you having access to it all the time, and way cheaper, your gameplay wouldn't be way more fun? keep working on Composing and you will get there" kind of thing. Of course prices and duration need carefull attetion, and I don't think we need anything higher than Composing for now (LF is the exception here).
 

 


Edited by yghorbeviahn, 22 March 2016 - 22:54.


#54 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 22:55

I believe 70%+ of the game have easy access to lvl max Composing potions, and who don't is just logging in every few days, burning stamina and going off again for days...Because everyone who play this game on a daily basis must have realised that Composing is 90% of the game now, and you need to be somewhere where you can have it.

My point is, I think some Arena pots should match the Composed ones, of course people will not care to buy it if we can get it cheaper via Composing, but for those who don't have access to the highest potions that would say: "do you see how powerfull this potion is? now imagine you having access to it all the time, and way cheaper, your gameplay wouldn't be way more fun? keep working on Composing and you will get there" kind of thing. Of course prices and duration need carefull attetion, and I don't think we need anything higher than Composing for now (LF is the exception here).
 

Exactly what i was trying to say... and that 70% only really grows as time goes on because even the slower composers get high levels after a few years. But i do think the skills i mentioned higher than current composing won't hurt especially if it's implemented the way i suggested. Those "epic" arenas will draw alot of attention and heck in the meantime if i'm already geared up might join other arenas too :).


Edited by EpicPiety, 22 March 2016 - 22:57.


#55 BigGrim

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 19:01

I reckon I may boost the potions tomorrow. I have two additional potion graphics that can be used for two new potions. Which 2 new potions suggested would you guys and gals like to see?



#56 EpicPiety

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 19:09

I reckon I may boost the potions tomorrow. I have two additional potion graphics that can be used for two new potions. Which 2 new potions suggested would you guys and gals like to see?

Con 350 and AL 350 would be cool if they were implemented as "epics" meaning they would only obtained through winning the tournament. Otherwise maybe fortitude 250 and lf 1250 available through token sales.



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Posted 24 March 2016 - 19:10

Con 350 and AL 350 would be cool if they were implemented as "epics" meaning they would only obtained through winning the tournament.

 

That would require coding, thus is not something I can do.



#58 EpicPiety

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 19:16

That would require coding, thus is not something I can do.

Right was just maybe hoping you could keep it in your handy notebook for when one of the developers become free. I believe the idea will bring more activity to all arena's actually :).



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Posted 24 March 2016 - 19:29

..... Which 2 new potions suggested would you guys and gals like to see?

Going by Brice's well-thought out list above, my choice would be: 1) Last Ditch level 300 and 2) Flinch level 300



#60 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 20:02

I would say:

Potion 1:
Teleport 155 (178 with Distill)

Potion 2:
Spell Breaker 200
Spell Leech 200




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