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#21 Undjuvion

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:31

LF 600 -  LF 1000 pot *CHANGE*

 

Con 250 - Con 350 *CHANGE*

 

Lib 300 - Lib 350 *CHANGE*

 

BM 300 - BM 350 *CHANGE*

 

Fumble 200 potion *NEW*

 

Anchored 350 potion *NEW*

 

Stalker 350 potion *NEW*

 

Overkill 400 potion *NEW*

 

I guess match the flinch/terrorize pots with composing flinch/terrorize even though i don't agree with the lvl 400 flinch and 350 terrorize composing pots.

 

Maybe consider changing brew times on the above as well.

 

LF, LIB, CON and STLK trump composing which is fine though dont agree with adding flinch and ter at comparable, brew times wouldnt hurt to add 30 mins to all these pots, BM350 that u mentioned is quite fun :)



#22 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:35

LF, LIB, CON and STLK trump composing which is fine though dont agree with adding flinch and ter at comparable, brew times wouldnt hurt to add 30 mins to all these pots, BM350 that u mentioned is quite fun :)

IMO the current terrorize and flinch pots should swap with composing :P. But i guess i can agree with not buffing them at all to arena hehe.



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:36

O_o complain about how OP composing pots are then suggest even more OP pots? I would suggest some of the new skills that were planned but never implemented. You can still see the names in the buff market. Keep the levels low: lvl 100 artful bandit? Since they will be the only place you can get them for now...

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:47

IMO the current terrorize and flinch pots should swap with composing :P. But i guess i can agree with not buffing them at all to arena hehe.

 

on another day i might agree, change wont happen instantly, always time for voices and debating though ;)



#25 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:47

What did i suggest that was OP please explain :)



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:47

O_o complain about how OP composing pots are then suggest even more OP pots?

Yes!!



#27 Undjuvion

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:50

O_o complain about how OP composing pots are then suggest even more OP pots? I would suggest some of the new skills that were planned but never implemented. You can still see the names in the buff market. Keep the levels low: lvl 100 artful bandit? Since they will be the only place you can get them for now...

 

chewy how fun is lvl 100 if its gonna be a special buff for composing/chest/arena/ladder, BG wont wanna instant overpower tho i bet he dont want 'that isnt gonna do much, waste of an update' ;) lvl 250 looks way cooler, no need to joke 1000 looks cooler than 250 as then thats rediculous, we have lvl 175 buffs, 250 i say for specialty buffs :)



#28 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:51

I can't be asked to look through my posts to quote... Go back and read them yourself about what i don't agree with to do with composing. Wish there was a CJ rule on the forums lmao it's quite sad. Guess people have nothing better to do though :). Whatever make's people feel better at the end of the day, to his their own, it's quite entertaining though :).


Edited by EpicPiety, 22 March 2016 - 14:52.


#29 BigGrim

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:53

I don't see us having potions that are better than Composing. Do that and people stop Composing. You want Composing level potions? Go level Composing.



#30 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:54

I don't see us having potions that are better than Composing. Do that and people stop Composing.

Don't think that's true these potions will be very limited or are supposed to be :). There won't or shouldn't be enough to supply mass amounts. That was my thinking though.

 

As long as composing is superior to any other potion the potion market as a whole will be neglected and dried up. You can compose potions for pennies.

 

Who would ever buy a con 300 for arena tokens when you can just compose it for a few gold ETC...


Edited by EpicPiety, 22 March 2016 - 14:57.


#31 BigGrim

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 14:58

Pennies? Are you serious? Composing is a hard slog to work through and costs a fortune. You have to work hard to get the benefit of being able to create those potions.



#32 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:02

Pennies? Are you serious? Composing is a hard slog to work through and costs a fortune. You have to work hard to get the benefit of being able to create those potions.

You can level composing to 60 for about 1000 fsps or so. If you wanna rush it at a faster pace it's probably 3k max. This is also over a 1-2 year span. Composing isn't expensive by any mean's. level 300 pot's with 30 minute brew cost 9k to make because frags are essentially free with all the frag events and drops in globals. Not even gonna mention all the kickbacks you get once you reach a higher level composing level. It pay's for itself if you choose to sell a few pot's to your personal or other guildmates. Just look at all the travelling composer's they are SWIMMING in stamina.


Edited by EpicPiety, 22 March 2016 - 15:03.


#33 Davros81

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:03

Pennies? Are you serious? Composing is a hard slog to work through and costs a fortune. You have to work hard to get the benefit of being able to create those potions.

I think he has lost it to be honest, I am a level 60 composer and it has cost me a fortune to get here and any potion created that is maxed out costs a heck of a lot of gold to create, proof he has no idea of the values involved in composing. I find his rants wholly hilarious if I am honest.



#34 Undjuvion

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:04

I don't see us having potions that are better than Composing. Do that and people stop Composing. You want Composing level potions? Go level Composing.

 

only reason i sway anti composing with the 4 i mentioned BG is composing currently has a HUGE percent of some of the best ingame buffs, via non donation means, that said there ARE other buffs which could be quite as effectively used, though that in most cases means stat increasing buffs which ARE already giving many players stats that a number think is game breaking, IF people get buffs that are FUN, BM350 was def a good idea, also agree with extra duration to make them more appealing :)



#35 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:05

I think he has lost it to be honest, I am a level 60 composer and it has cost me a fortune to get here and any potion created that is maxed out costs a heck of a lot of gold to create, proof he has no idea of the values involved in composing. I find his rants wholly hilarious if I am honest.

I know the exact cost of every route to do with composing :) even down to the frags. 



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:13

Like I said. I don't see us going over Composing. I doubt we'd equal it. If you want those, Compose.



#37 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:17

Like I said. I don't see us going over Composing. I doubt we'd equal it. If you want those, Compose.

Okay, just thought i'd throw some suggestions out to do with new buffs/changes to arena pots. i'll leave it at this i don't think relying 100% on composing to have the best buffs is good. Will and is destroying many other aspects such as potion making etc... Composing does take some investment but it's essentially free then eventually profitable once you get to a certain point. Composing will pay for itself eventually and then some :P.

 

Right now i would never dream of using arena pots over composing pot's they are way way way cheaper and way more powerful in every regard.

 

 

TL:DR

 

If you wanna make arena potions viable again they need to be better than the current composing or they will stay mediocre and low demand high supply. This can be directly translated to a lot of other thing's as well.


Edited by EpicPiety, 22 March 2016 - 15:22.


#38 Undjuvion

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:19

Like I said. I don't see us going over Composing. I doubt we'd equal it. If you want those, Compose.

 

sturdy as BG, i do love composing, i am happy if it dont change, gamewise, my post two above yours is very valid, though your current stand point is accepted :)



#39 BigGrim

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:25

If you wanna make arena potions viable again they need to be better than the current composing or they will stay mediocre and low demand high supply. This can be directly translated to a lot of other thing's as well.

 

Hyperbole. Not everyone has access to High level Composers in the Guild nor the means to employ a traveller. We're not gonna kill Composing just because of a few people thinking it is damaging the rest of the game.

 

Now. This is a thread for Arena Potions. Asking for suggestions. Not yet another thread bashing Composing. Stay on topic please.



#40 EpicPiety

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 15:32

 

Hyperbole. Not everyone has access to High level Composers in the Guild nor the means to employ a traveller. We're not gonna kill Composing just because of a few people thinking it is damaging the rest of the game.

Well i know as a matter of fact it is and have a lot of supporting evidence but i'll rest my case. It's no coincidence many thing's have become dead after composing trumped them. At the end of the day i'll buy the cheaper way more powerful composing pot's and skip the rest. Won't find me indulging in needless potions. I can do everything and anything with composing almost and really don't need anything else, and as an added benefit it's the cheaper route.

 

You want Composing level potions? Go level Composing.

 But as you said you want it level it :). You reap what you sow and i definitely agree there. But it's reaping a bit too much for the amount of "sow" hehe.




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