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#161 Egami

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 23:32

On the above, I'll say "you're welcome" to everybody for avoiding the text wall (at that post at least).

 

I'd request that people stop pumping XP as the most important thing in game. 

 

I'd request that players be able to help teach other players why it's not.

 

I'd hope (and have severe doubts) that this "beta" might add some spice.

 

The "issue" for me is reeducating an entire FS population that thinks XP is the most important thing in the game, many of whom get their panties in an uproar when they hit for 10 stam and aren't prepared for the consequences. 

 

I'll avoid flaming by saying, the fact that I too sit around in stam-gear when offline is my personal choice. 

 

And I'll end by saying that I personally feel that one of the worst things that have happened to this game is the fact that players sit behind the "PVP is evil" stance and refrain from educating players. 

 

PvP, leveling or whatever, aside... the lack of education is the worst thing that has happened in FS. I fully disagree with OP pot idea... but I would not say that nobody learns about stats or enhancements or key factors that involve "playing the game". 

 

Me, I learned about stats precisely thanks to some hardcore PvPers. That was the best experience I ever had in game and it's something that is definitely long-dead. 

 

I don't mean that as a support for PvP but as a call out to people to "think". If you do that, no matter what game aspect, you will be better off. 

 

Please, please... don't propagate the "I need everything" ideology. Promote education so, no matter what game aspect anyone is playing, they can work to excel. 



#162 yotwehc

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Posted 09 December 2016 - 01:17

Tbh, this entire thread does not make much sense anyways, 'PvP as a Global'. Its pretty clear that the vast majority of players are not interested in PvP or want nothing to do with it. So why do people feel the need to turn it into a Global Event? If most people opt out and buy protection, then what good does it make? The whole point of a Global Event is that the majority of the community participate, its in the name- I really see no merit here. If you turn it into an event how many will participate, probably just the few that are currently playing the ladder and a few more- so why implement something new for the same people to do the same thing? You already have a venue to PvP, so use it! The only way PvP as a Global would ever work is if PvP got a massive overhaul, but that would destroy one of the most ancient aspects of the game that has been around since the beginning.

This thread really just started as an easy way for EoC players to get their hands on Crystal chests with no Xp loss. If you want those chests, then opt in the ladder and win them. If you could win those chests with no Xp loss, then the ladder which is already dying loses its appeal. I really dont know why this thread was revived in the first place. HCS should be spending their time to develop new ideas instead of trying to bring back failed old ones.

Although you are probably right, I think doing a pillow fight global for pvp may be helpful (I know the hardcore absolutely refuse). If those who are hung up on xp loss have a safe space to try it, you may end up with more after they get a taste for it. Going toe to toe with a live target is an awesome adrenaline rush but most pvp now is just ambushing your target. With a pillow fight global, the odds of online fighting would be higher and both be exciting and educational for those not exposed to this area so I do think global has merit as long as it's a pillow fight. Otherwise, very few would participate as you mentioned.

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#163 rowbeth

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Posted 09 December 2016 - 07:13

I'd request that people stop pumping XP as the most important thing in game. 

 

I'd request that players be able to help teach other players why it's not.

 

What is most important (and, by inference, what is not) is a subjective judgement that differs for every player, and that goes to the heart of what keeps them coming back to play.

 

I really wish that every discussion on how to change FS started by recognising this fact.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 01:56

I personally didn't mind seasons.....got the medal.....did that.....  WOULD love to do it again!! :rolleyes: :ph34r: ;)


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#165 BadPenny

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 21:47

I lost a level today, for a DQ hit. The guy was unrelated, just some dude working on his smasher medal..... Maybe the stupid thing should be limited to the ladder only..... One thing is certain, things like this make the general population reluctant to PvP, and that makes any kind of PvP event unviable. Maybe the smasher medal needs a revamp?

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#166 leefylee

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 23:35

I lost a level today, for a DQ hit. The guy was unrelated, just some dude working on his smasher medal..... Maybe the stupid thing should be limited to the ladder only..... One thing is certain, things like this make the general population reluctant to PvP, and that makes any kind of PvP event unviable. Maybe the smasher medal needs a revamp?

i lost a level today boohoo i want everything sugar coated for me please grim...

no 100 stam smashing on the bounty board, dont be riciulous. the bounty board is a punishment for pvp.

 

its not pvp, or smasher that needs a revamp, its peoples attitude like yours crying over losing a level that needs a revamp...

you could have really lost 5 levels so a loss of 1 is not so bad.

do a few missions or kill a few champs you will soon have that level back



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Posted 12 December 2016 - 23:49

They have already taken the PvP part out of the smasher medal. It has to count somewhere!  The board is the place you are put for hitting people. Makes no sense to complain for being hit. If you can dish it, you can take it. This is so silly!


 


#168 Mzzery

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 00:11

A quick way to get out off fish-in-a-barrell-mode, is to buy pvp protection. I see no need for any other protection against pvp :)

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 00:14

I lost a level today, for a DQ hit. The guy was unrelated, just some dude working on his smasher medal..... Maybe the stupid thing should be limited to the ladder only..... One thing is certain, things like this make the general population reluctant to PvP, and that makes any kind of PvP event unviable. Maybe the smasher medal needs a revamp?

Sorry, but this is by far the worst suggestion i have seen in the forum in a long time. No offense. Why would DQs be safe to do, when pvp related? If you wanna stay safe from any risk, just skip that daily.

just my 2 cents.

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#170 BadPenny

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 00:18

1. Who are you people that think your opinion is more valid than mine? In the grand scheme of things, just other players....
2. I was not complaining, per se, as I don't really care, tbh, I was merely stating my opionion, which I have just as much right to as you do....


But I do care about how the majority of FS players feel, and losing a level for a DQ thing is a BIG reason why most hate PvP and want it gone. I was looking at their point of view, not my own, which matters not so much. How about some of you try doing the same.... It's called empathy people, try it, it will change your outlook....

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 00:28

Why are you allowed to post an opinion and no one else is?  Come on Penny, take a deep breath and walk away for a minute. This is silly. 


 


#172 Mzzery

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 00:30

1. Who are you people that think your opinion is more valid than mine? In the grand scheme of things, just other players....
2. I was not complaining, per se, as I don't really care, tbh, I was merely stating my opionion, which I have just as much right to as you do....


But I do care about how the majority of FS players feel, and losing a level for a DQ thing is a BIG reason why most hate PvP and want it gone. I was looking at their point of view, not my own, which matters not so much. How about some of you try doing the same.... It's called empathy people, try it, it will change your outlook....


1. Not sure who you are asking? Why would your opinion be more valid than anyone else's? Isn't this topic open to everyone on an equal basis, to post their views, without getting told their view shouldn't matter as much?
2. I've lost 5 levels for deflected 10stams lots of times, I've lost levels for hits that took nothing at all, not even 1 gold. I still love pvp.

Please don't question people's level of empathy... it"s just a discussion about the mechanics of a game.

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 00:31

Why are you allowed to post an opinion and no one else is?  Come on Penny, take a deep breath and walk away for a minute. This is silly.

Why must I be flamed for it? You missed my point.

I get called names? Called silly? Accused of whining when I speak my mind?

To heck with you all. There are better ways to waste my time......

Just one old lady's opinion

 

 

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#174 Mzzery

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 00:39

Why must I be flamed for it? You missed my point.

I get called names? Called silly? Accused of whining when I speak my mind?

To heck with you all. There are better ways to waste my time......


She said "this is silly", not that you are. Nobody is trying to flame you, penny. We just want to be allowed to post our opinion too, without getting our level of empathy questioned, and told off. Can't we all just get along, and discuss the topic at hand?

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#175 yotwehc

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 03:13

Some folk think the smasher medal in its initial release was the greatest thing since sliced cow patties and still think so even now so take it for what it's worth. Some even have admitted not understanding why players don't like pvp. You will never be able to convince them otherwise. Seasons can work but as doom has pointed out, has to be opt in or pillow fighting. Can't think of any other way the general population will go for it.

Pvp can be fun if done the right way. I was offered a soft clear on my most recent deleveling run but I asked the clearer to hold off as I wanted to dance. Almost 2 hours of dancing. Nothing better. ;-p

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 07:56

Maybe more careful reading of the forum would help here (unless its me that needs to take my own advice, and the following is a complete misinterpretation).

 

As far as I can tell, BP was reporting that she lost a level as the subject (2nd P) of someone else doing *their* PVP DQ on her with a 100 stam hit.

 

LL, Cal and Mzz (post #169) seem to be reacting to the opposite scenario (BP doing the PVP for her own DQ, and then thinking she was complaining about being bountied for it).

 

It is hard enough to get a balanced, reasoned PVP forum thread as it is. Lets not add the problem of reacting to what people aren't saying.


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#177 Mzzery

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 08:29

Maybe more careful reading of the forum would help here (unless its me that needs to take my own advice, and the following is a complete misinterpretation).

 

As far as I can tell, BP was reporting that she lost a level as the subject (2nd P) of someone else doing *their* PVP DQ on her with a 100 stam hit.

 

LL, Cal and Mzz (post #169) seem to be reacting to the opposite scenario (BP doing the PVP for her own DQ, and then thinking she was complaining about being bountied for it).

 

It is hard enough to get a balanced, reasoned PVP forum thread as it is. Lets not add the problem of reacting to what people aren't saying.

 

I reacted to this: "Maybe the stupid thing should be limited to the ladder only"

I don't understand why this would be referred to as "stupid".

 

And this: "How about some of you try doing the same.... It's called empathy people, try it, it will change your outlook.... " 

I don't like being accused of lacking such important traits, or seeing friends accused of lacking in that area, when I know for a fact that they have loads of said traits. That's all.

 

And... I also reacted to this:

"Who are you people that think your opinion is more valid than mine?"

Nobody has said their opinion is more valid, but any discussion need to be open for all to state their side, without anyone getting bent out off shape just because there are opposing views.

 

If everyone agreed, it wouldn't really be a discussion, right? Then it'd be a long rant of all agreements, and kind of pointless to try to dissect and discuss the topic.

 

I totally agree tho, that it is good to really read stuff before reacting and replying. I know exactly how people who don't pvp think, I haven't always been a pvper. I respect that not everyone enjoys it, and I don't blame them. PvP is THE most fun aspect of the game for me, but not for all. I quite enjoy reading other people's thoughts on it though, and I don't get very defensive, just interested in the topic, and interested in sharing my views on it.



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#178 rowbet

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 09:31

Mzzery - I did refer specifically to your #169 post because my comment was not relevant to any of your other posts.

 

I agree that descriptors like "stupid" can be inflammatory, and are probably best avoided.

 

I still think that posts 165, 166, 167 and 169 were one person saying "I can understand why people don't like being 100-stam hit for PVP DQs", and three people saying "if you don't like the risk, then don't do the hitting", and the subsequent escalation was because no one recognised that these were two different issues.

 

Anyway, I was trying to encourage calmer discussion rather than looking to criticise anyone, and I'm not really here to be BP's advocate, so I'll keep quiet on the issue now.


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Posted 13 December 2016 - 09:35

 I know exactly how people who don't pvp think, I haven't always been a pvper. I respect that not everyone enjoys it, and I don't blame them. PvP is THE most fun aspect of the game for me, but not for all. I quite enjoy reading other people's thoughts on it though, and I don't get very defensive, just interested in the topic, and interested in sharing my views on it.

 

Actually, with respect, no, you don't.

 

You know exactly how YOU felt before you became a PvP'r and changed your opinion about it.

 

Everyone has their own reasons, for and against about PvP. Some are rabidly in favour, some are rabidly against and most are somewhere in between, but you don't know exactly how other players feel about it, just how YOU do :)


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Posted 13 December 2016 - 12:14

Maybe more careful reading of the forum would help here (unless its me that needs to take my own advice, and the following is a complete misinterpretation).

 

As far as I can tell, BP was reporting that she lost a level as the subject (2nd P) of someone else doing *their* PVP DQ on her with a 100 stam hit.

 

LL, Cal and Mzz (post #169) seem to be reacting to the opposite scenario (BP doing the PVP for her own DQ, and then thinking she was complaining about being bountied for it).

 

It is hard enough to get a balanced, reasoned PVP forum thread as it is. Lets not add the problem of reacting to what people aren't saying.

 

Actually as far as I can tell others got it right and unfortunately Your version is incorrect.

 

But I have to agree completely with that last statement - this topic is really sensitive and complicated as it is and catching others for a word is not exactly the best way to make it better/easier.

 

P.S. Do I think bounty for DQ 10 stam hit is silly to say the least? Definitely.

        Should the ability to do so be taken away? No.

Lets see what consequences I have just called for.
 




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