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#973915 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by KitiaraLi on 15 December 2016 - 07:57

Agreed. Not sure if reduced loss has ever been considered but surely it'd help? I mean, I PvP occasionally and I almost ALWAYS end up on the Bounty Board. And I almost always lose 5 levels because I'm an evil Admin. I get those level back swiftly enough.

 

~ Grim

Maybe this should be the main concern for the discussion then? Not the "what is we nerf xp loss" approach, but the "what if we teach players that xp loss is not the worst since someone tried cooking the first brussels sprouts" ?
 

The idea about nerfing the xp loss as an incentive to try out PvP in a global, is to me the same as gently pushing someone till they drop on their knees, then look at 'em and say "see, that didn't hurt that much" and then expect 'em to wanna get pushed head first into the ground after that, with the logic that hurting your knees wasn't all bad, so hurting your face must be just fine as well then.

I don't see it working like that. If we want more players to do PvP, we need to teach 'em it is not bad, nor something to be feared. I have no idea why som many seem to think XP is the best thing in this game since Heath Ledger (you girls know what I am talking about). But they do. And they fear PvP, mainly since it takes away their precioussss.

What they need to know is exactly what you said yourself; The lost xp is gained back swiftly.

 

Heck, those with big stam banks, gain the lost xp back, just by sitting still to regain their spend stam.




#973896 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Mzzery on 14 December 2016 - 23:27

I'll just put this here, as a reply to Calista's latest post:

+1




#973868 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Josh1404 on 14 December 2016 - 18:49

I have been thinking about what the event could be for a bit, here are my ideas:

 

1-) We have set ranges. Like the Ladder, somewhat. These are the tentative ranges I thought of 1-100 , 101-250, 251-500, 501-750, 751-1000, 1001-1500, 1501-2000, 2001-2500, 2501-3000, 3001-3500

 

2-) The way it would work. I am not too sure here, but every bracket should have a single division with a Free-For-All format. In terms of how to avoid collusion between guilds... Zero idea, but I (as in me, personally) believe that hits between guildmates should be possible, should there be a way to deter or avoid collusion.

 

3-) Rewards: The rewards should be VERY Limited, that way we can keep the event coming often and whatever is to be obtained to remain value. Good enough rewards to incentivize participation. I think the "PvP Trophy" and "Spirit of PvP" make very nice rewards, in limited amounts. 

 

Extra I think the PvP Trophy/Spirit of PvP should be introduced to some new recipes for Epics. That might bring some extra motivation *wink wink* for others to join too

 

These are some ideas I came up with while rambling. Please no roasterino, I am noob and I come here in peace thank you for your time

Imma' roast you real bad... Ummmm... I can't think of anything to say. Good post man. :P

 

There are so many large guilds that for an event like this to work we would have to be able to hit guild members. If not there will be a lot of people complaining they can't hit their targets. And that only hinders participation. With no XP loss or reduced XP loss or whatever comes out of this that shouldn't be a terrible thing.

 

Those rewards seem fair enough. It would make me to think about having a go. A couple of unique chests with potions wouldn't go amiss either.

 

Most importantly though we need the medals reinstated. A lot of people want them and that's a whole lot of incentive to participate. Those rewards alone might convince me to have a go... Perhaps. Medals will ensure I invest time and effort into trying to get them. 




#973867 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Corrupted on 14 December 2016 - 18:30

I have been thinking about what the event could be for a bit, here are my ideas:

 

1-) We have set ranges. Like the Ladder, somewhat. These are the tentative ranges I thought of 1-100 , 101-250, 251-500, 501-750, 751-1000, 1001-1500, 1501-2000, 2001-2500, 2501-3000, 3001-3500

 

2-) The way it would work. I am not too sure here, but every bracket should have a single division with a Free-For-All format. In terms of how to avoid collusion between guilds... Zero idea, but I (as in me, personally) believe that hits between guildmates should be possible, should there be a way to deter or avoid collusion.

 

3-) Rewards: The rewards should be VERY Limited, that way we can keep the event coming often and whatever is to be obtained to remain value. Good enough rewards to incentivize participation. I think the "PvP Trophy" and "Spirit of PvP" make very nice rewards, in limited amounts. 

 

Extra I think the PvP Trophy/Spirit of PvP should be introduced to some new recipes for Epics. That might bring some extra motivation *wink wink* for others to join too

 

These are some ideas I came up with while rambling. Please no roasterino, I am noob and I come here in peace thank you for your time




#973877 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by wil72 on 14 December 2016 - 20:14

I suspect a PvP Global event, if it is ever introduced, will be one that is seen very seldom due to its divisive nature. One that would have to be called for and called for and called for again by players before it is seen again.

 

So.....have an opt out. But make the reward for participation, tier gain or whatever..........awesome!

 

Many have said they will never PvP no matter what. An awesome reward may put that to the test. ;)

 

Cheers.

 

wil72




#973858 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by BigGrim on 14 December 2016 - 17:22

she suggested to stop smasher ticks on bounties..

 
Yeah, no.




#973857 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by leefylee on 14 December 2016 - 17:20

Maybe more careful reading of the forum would help here (unless its me that needs to take my own advice, and the following is a complete misinterpretation).

 

As far as I can tell, BP was reporting that she lost a level as the subject (2nd P) of someone else doing *their* PVP DQ on her with a 100 stam hit.

 

LL, Cal and Mzz (post #169) seem to be reacting to the opposite scenario (BP doing the PVP for her own DQ, and then thinking she was complaining about being bountied for it).

 

It is hard enough to get a balanced, reasoned PVP forum thread as it is. Lets not add the problem of reacting to what people aren't saying.

she was not talking about someone doing a daily hit with 100 stam, otherwise she would noit have wrote.. the hitter was working on smasher medal.. it must have been a bounty hit to work on their smasher medal..

she suggested to stop smasher ticks on bounties..




#973851 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Kbyte on 14 December 2016 - 17:06

I did a fast look on this thread not reading much, but it looks it will be an sort of global gvg, it that really what is intended to be called pvp season?




#973839 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by KitiaraLi on 14 December 2016 - 15:59


As I said once already, stay on topic. How Seasons could work as an Event. 

 

~ Grim

If introduced with an "opt in" thingie, since you do not wanna impose any aspect of the game to anyone (which is perfectly fine and fair), I would be very curious how many would actually opt in, and how it's supposed to work with guild mates. As in, would I again be able to smack some of those I am now in the guild with?

 

If it is set to work as the one-shot PvP season we had previously, well ... I have to agree with Calista on that one. It was not only voted outta the game faster than you can press a fart out of a dead whale on a hot beach - as I recall it, there was also a massive uproar here on the forum about how terrible it was.

 

If you decide to not have xp loss as a part of it, you are starting to slide towards something that could potentially be the end of PvP as we know it (in FS). I am willing to bet quite a large amount that it would not take long, before some would start arguing that if you'd remove xp loss all together, PvP would be saved and better than ever. And even though that would take away alotta grief from your desk, I am also pretty sure you know, that would not be the best for the game.

 

And finally - if you introduce it as a global, for the love of all things unholy, name it something else than PvP. I wouldn't go as far as the "Soft Pillow Fighting Global" ... but.. show some respect for those of us, who loved the ways of old and get very emotional every time that aspect of the game is being bend and twisted.

 

That's about it... for now.




#973825 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Mzzery on 14 December 2016 - 11:43

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#973814 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Mzzery on 14 December 2016 - 02:06

Global Pillowfight. Reward for being in top 100: A pillow you can wear as a shield. Reward for everyone else who played but didnt get on top 100: a duck and some cotton, so they can make their own pillows.


#973674 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Mzzery on 13 December 2016 - 08:29

Maybe more careful reading of the forum would help here (unless its me that needs to take my own advice, and the following is a complete misinterpretation).

 

As far as I can tell, BP was reporting that she lost a level as the subject (2nd P) of someone else doing *their* PVP DQ on her with a 100 stam hit.

 

LL, Cal and Mzz (post #169) seem to be reacting to the opposite scenario (BP doing the PVP for her own DQ, and then thinking she was complaining about being bountied for it).

 

It is hard enough to get a balanced, reasoned PVP forum thread as it is. Lets not add the problem of reacting to what people aren't saying.

 

I reacted to this: "Maybe the stupid thing should be limited to the ladder only"

I don't understand why this would be referred to as "stupid".

 

And this: "How about some of you try doing the same.... It's called empathy people, try it, it will change your outlook.... " 

I don't like being accused of lacking such important traits, or seeing friends accused of lacking in that area, when I know for a fact that they have loads of said traits. That's all.

 

And... I also reacted to this:

"Who are you people that think your opinion is more valid than mine?"

Nobody has said their opinion is more valid, but any discussion need to be open for all to state their side, without anyone getting bent out off shape just because there are opposing views.

 

If everyone agreed, it wouldn't really be a discussion, right? Then it'd be a long rant of all agreements, and kind of pointless to try to dissect and discuss the topic.

 

I totally agree tho, that it is good to really read stuff before reacting and replying. I know exactly how people who don't pvp think, I haven't always been a pvper. I respect that not everyone enjoys it, and I don't blame them. PvP is THE most fun aspect of the game for me, but not for all. I quite enjoy reading other people's thoughts on it though, and I don't get very defensive, just interested in the topic, and interested in sharing my views on it.




#973649 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Mzzery on 13 December 2016 - 00:39

Why must I be flamed for it? You missed my point.

I get called names? Called silly? Accused of whining when I speak my mind?

To heck with you all. There are better ways to waste my time......


She said "this is silly", not that you are. Nobody is trying to flame you, penny. We just want to be allowed to post our opinion too, without getting our level of empathy questioned, and told off. Can't we all just get along, and discuss the topic at hand?


#973644 PVP Seasons as a Global

Posted by Mzzery on 13 December 2016 - 00:30

1. Who are you people that think your opinion is more valid than mine? In the grand scheme of things, just other players....
2. I was not complaining, per se, as I don't really care, tbh, I was merely stating my opionion, which I have just as much right to as you do....


But I do care about how the majority of FS players feel, and losing a level for a DQ thing is a BIG reason why most hate PvP and want it gone. I was looking at their point of view, not my own, which matters not so much. How about some of you try doing the same.... It's called empathy people, try it, it will change your outlook....


1. Not sure who you are asking? Why would your opinion be more valid than anyone else's? Isn't this topic open to everyone on an equal basis, to post their views, without getting told their view shouldn't matter as much?
2. I've lost 5 levels for deflected 10stams lots of times, I've lost levels for hits that took nothing at all, not even 1 gold. I still love pvp.

Please don't question people's level of empathy... it"s just a discussion about the mechanics of a game.


#973371 Doubler

Posted by KitiaraLi on 11 December 2016 - 14:24

Meh *shrugs*

 

I can make an argument about a higher level doubler would benefit players, seeing as it would take less time to burn stam via hunting - and that it is not game breaking due to the fact, that they just get the xp they'd normally get, faster.

 

I could also make the counter argument based on the exact same - seeing as players might be active in the game in lesser time, and they'd be able to hunt more safe, due to the lowered time frame for gold thieves etc to find 'em.

 

So.. as much I would love to spend less time on the hunting aspect, I'd have to go with a "leave it as is" ...






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