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EpicPiety, on 02 Feb 2016 - 16:24, said:

It is...You only need 50k dmg to 1 hit

Necromantic Horror (Champion) Undead 2505 45398 2699 966 47625 135366   Tellroth Necromantic Horror Undead 2505 31407 1529 711 37491 99596   Tellroth Shackled Spirit Undead 2506 8239 711 59773 2443 99635

 

Tried to copy paste some creatures from the FSguide, sorry if the formatting is crap.  So sure, some creatures only need 50k damage to 1 hit, but others need more, depending on their armor or if you want to level off the Champion.  So you are right, but not completely.

 

I have to say I am surprised how similar these creatures are to the ones at my level.  Looks like just the HP inceases.  So my first thought is, maybe the problem is that the higher level creatures are the ones that need to be made tougher.

 

That being said, the buff that comes to my mind as being overpowered is wither 450.  Cutting the HP in half is huge.  Just for reference, I got super buffed last night wearing Twins, Griffs, Pounamu and Nolhgg sets with Owlbear helmet.  I had EW 1500, SH 480, CoA 350, Ber 350 Fury 350, and then a bunch of the pots for enchant amulet, boots, ring, etc.  I was buffed to the hilt.  My damage was 125k, which does not include bonuses from DD or guild structures.  

Now, some are saying that is just too much.  But is it?  Just because I can get the best of everything and am able to kill creatures hundreds of level above me, is that really a problem?  It is quite expensive to get all those buffs.  As it stands, when I do want to level, if I want to 1-hit I either need access to Wither 450 OR buffs like SH 480 and CoA 350 with EW 1000 or 1500.  I choose the latter because the Wither 450 pots are rare and the ones I keep in my backpack I save for special occasions like XP events or titan hunting.

 

I am trying not to let my bias influence my post, but maybe it is.  I am in favor of things the way they are, but they does not mean they don't need to change.  I think we need to discuss facts and actual numbers.  I think we need to think of the big picture, some people only have access to a few of the buffs mentioned, so we should not assume that everyone is using all these buffs all the time.

 

Last pet peeve, but where are people finding enough creatures to level like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,r?  When level with AM 500 (which is actually pretty rare) it is more like ,1,2,r,1,2,r,1,2,r,1,2,r.......

I remember back in my day, math was hard.  Kids didn't have calculators and technology.

 

I say we ban all the new advancements and make school a challenge again.

 

Parody aside, I honestly have not noticed that big of a change in the game, and I started in Jan 2008.  I remember being able to 1-hit up to like level 170ish and then at the time, the best you could do was 2-hit.  I knew this because people had created guides to make it easy for me.  Did that make it mindless??  Not for me, because I choose to look at gear and see if I was getting the most damage possible, but I don't fault other players for simply following the guides created by others.  Of course that makes it easy, so what.  It is also easier to be in a guild that has all the gear.  Or now has the composed pots.  So what?

I think it is completely valid for Grim to say, if you don't to use SSI (or any other buff) because you want a challenge, then do it.  Stop trying to make others play the game you want.  Challenge is a relative term, it is different for everyone.  For some people, it is a challenge just to log in and play the game for an hour.  For some it is a challenge to qualify for global event to get the super pots.  For some it is a challenge to get the best gear.  Some like the challenge of quests, or titan hunting, or arena, or ladder, albeit all those things have become less of a challenge.  Why?  Some of it due to tweaks and buffs and new gear, but honestly, like anything life, the better you get at something, the less of a challenge it becomes.  I remember when the Rubics Cube was a challenge for me, but after practice I can do solve it in just over a minute now.  The challenge is gone unless I want to keep getting faster, but I can now solve it.  So lets not lose sight of the big picture as we discuss here.

 

I think before we start proposing solutions, let us first identify what the problem truly is.  Also, we need to identify who is exactly effected by this problem.  I don't see why the game should be changed if the majority are okay with the way it is or if the Cows are okay with the way it is.  

 

So is the problem that leveling is not a "challenge" anymore?  Can someone define challenge, because earlier in the thread a good point was made that making players die more in combat is not actually making leveling more challenge.

So in discussing the seasonal titans, there was a suggesting of making a titan that had personal TKP instead of guild TKP. It occurred to me, that the Elemental Titans are basically set up that way, albeit within a quest, so TKP is not used.

 

So, I think it would be cool to have some new titans that are similar to the Elemental ones.  They could just be higher level Elementals, so an extension of what is already there just higher level, or they could be completely new in some way so as to be new for everyone.

 

I have also always envisioned a titan that slowly moves across the screen for the duration it is spawned.  So it could start at one side of the screen, and then when so many kills are made or so much time has passed, it moves one square.  Once it reaches the other side of the screen, it is gone (maybe to just be spawned somewhere else or maybe totally dead, could be set up in a lot of ways).  This feature would really help those who do not have fast connections.

 

(As an aside, I originally thought of this idea but for guilds, with some restriction like you need at least 4 members on the titan to be able to kill it, but I realize that would make it very difficult for smaller or less active guilds.  But then again, not every feature of this game has to be available to everyone, but is probably a different debate)

 

Anyway, I hope this thread can lead to some creative discussion.  A big item to discuss is what the reward for killing the titan is.  Could be an epic item, or could even be an epic chest.  Could be bound or unbound.  If several titans are created, could be resources which are used to create something.

BigGrim, on 02 Nov 2015 - 16:33, said:

Nope. Normal and Seasonal Titans are a Guild Event. That's how they shall stay.

 

What do you consider the Elemental Titans?  They are certainly not a guild event, but are a personal one.  You personally achieve the required kills and get your prize.

 

I think this would make it fair for everyone, although just like the Elemental epics, they would not be worth very much because everyone would have a chance to get them.

 

Then again, that is because the Elementals are fairly easy to kill, only 500 kills and now with quest hunter just 125 kills.  So if this idea was to be taken seriously, figuring out how many kills to get the reward would really determine how valuable the item is.

 

Ironically, this idea would create more competition because now it would be every man for himself, and not just the big guilds or fast guilds who are dominating.  Sure the fast people would get the prize first, but once they did, and were put on cooldown, then it would become easier for others to get TKP.  Also, you could have a titan that has infinite HP, that way it is always present to be killed, although I must say I like how these seasonal titans are basically spawning the next hour after they are killed.

 

Don't discard this idea completely, maybe it is time for a new titan similar to the Elementals ones   

sweetlou, on 18 Jun 2015 - 00:17, said:

Does that mean you have to donate? No!

 

What that does mean is that if you are to sacrifice playing a certain part of the game you will have to use part of your gold earnings to protect yourself. I don't see how that should be an issue! Players have just started whining more and more over the years that makes them think they should be protected for FREE and have punishment served FREE of charge.

 

"Sacrifice playing a certain part of the game"

LOL are you a politician?  How about if I don't want to be forced to participate in a certain part of the game?

And again, why would any PvP players here even want me?  I am sitting in stam gain gear.  "Fighting" me and beating me is no accomplishment.  So why do you insist on me or others like me being available to attack?  It must be something more than just PvP.  What could that be?

Melons, on 17 Jun 2015 - 22:47, said:

Actually, I do care about my levels. Why? Because I revolve my PvP set-ups around them. When I get deleveled, I check if I can use a set-up or not. The reason I don't whine like some people is because I understand when I make a hit that I can lose levels for it and not just get away without any repercussions. The whole risk is what makes want to play PvP, not knowing if I will log on to see my logs filled with 100stams hits. 

This is what you first said.  Now you are changing your story.

 

But look, the truth is, no one plays this game for only one aspect.  Leveling is obviously the common thread for every aspect of the game.  That is why PvP has been such a hot topic.  Taking 5 levels or more is a punishment.  People have abused it and used it to bully people (not saying all PvPers have done this, but it only takes a few bad apples).

 

But no one is forced to level.  no one is forced to create potions or scavenge in the caves or hunt titans.

 

Why is PvP forced on everyone?  By doing this, is only makes PvP a JOKE.  If PvP was limited to only those that wanted to participate, the quality of PvP would be greatly improved and I would have to think more fun.  Or do you like just hitting offline players who only wear stam gain gear?

Melons, on 17 Jun 2015 - 22:47, said:

Actually, I do care about my levels. Why? Because I revolve my PvP set-ups around them. When I get deleveled, I check if I can use a set-up or not. The reason I don't whine like some people is because I understand when I make a hit that I can lose levels for it and not just get away without any repercussions. The whole risk is what makes want to play PvP, not knowing if I will log on to see my logs filled with 100stams hits. 

 

Sure, you care to a point but you don't care if you lose 5 because all you need to do is gain 5 and be happy that you are back where you started.

For a leveler, it truly is a punishment to get deleveled.  

 

Sorry, but if it is the risk you want, then you should be in support of people opting out, because those that want to opt out are just weak targets who do not even pose a risk.

Melons, on 17 Jun 2015 - 22:29, said:

The cows made the board as a punishment factor against PvP attacks. That's the difference between PvP and GvG. In GvG, there are no repercussion when you attack someone else, while that's the opposite for PvP. Making bounties only 1-hit equal exp loss to a 10stam clear now isn't really a punishment. That's not the main thing I'm upset about. It's how they will revamp the board. There is no more "bounty hunter" and challenge when doing a bounty. This update will kill the board.

 

Yeah and it never made sense to me.  PvP'ers don't care if they get put on the bounty board, they love it and brag about losing levels.

But levelers obviously hate losing levels.

So the only one being punished by this system are the levelers.  How do you punish a PvP'er?

I like the idea of opting in or out, that way the people who want to participate in PvP can, but those who do not like that aspect of the game, do not have to.  I know the Cows have said this is a PvP game, but I don't see why "Attacking" has to be the only forced interaction.