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#919322 How to easily increase PvP activity..

Posted by kitobas on 13 February 2015 - 01:35

everytime you posting things about PVP you wanting pillow fight, pvp with no xp loss

 

I will tell you same thing like 100 other player posts in this forum:

if you want playing pvp with no xp loss then you can bro, nobody stopping you, play ARENA or GVG

there you having no xp loss like you wanting but I hearing from friends activity low there

 

if you still not understanding why your idea very bad then read other pvp forums

for prestige idea this is better (90% say yes) and accepted by you rebornjedi too: https://forums.hunte...ol-my-prestige/

 

you can find in other pvp forums answers why your idea very bad and I not going keep repeating things many times or this topic will end like other pvp forums, I want enjoying my weekened with my family instead of arguing with players who only have final goal of removing xp loss for having their pillow fight

 

ps: HCS saying they removing PVP LADDER and giving us PVP TOURNAMENT




#892322 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 02 October 2014 - 09:50

To be honest I like Shardoom's plan way better. This just sounds like another easy out for pvpers who can't control themselves to get a free pass on gold hits on non-pvpers.

  • can you please explain how "they" would get a FREE PASS on gold hits?
  • you do realize that in Shardoom's system you can hit "non-pvpers" too?

I really do not understand your post but maybe you or the 2 who liked your post (tharzil and yodamus) would be kind enough to explain it to me?

 

and please guys when you say something against this system then say WHY (give an EXPLANATION) !!!!

without an explanation it is sometimes difficult to understand what you exactly mean, thanks




#892131 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 01 October 2014 - 07:02

For clarification, People in Raw PvP system can hit Soft PvP system, but won't be posted via BB for Raw BB.... correct?

But people who hit people from Soft into RAw are on Raw BB....

you always get on the victims BB !!!! (to counter EXPLOIT)

So every time a RAw PvP hits a Soft PvP, they aren't sent to Raw BB, but a soft BB.... that sounds no better than the system we have now....or are proposing going to.

IF you are suggesting that RAW hits get always on RAW BB regardless if they hit RAW or SOFT and SOFT hits get always on SOFT BB regardless if they hit RAW or SOFT then this will be easily EXPLOITED + BULLYING can happen!!!!

there are some EXPLOITS I see in your current suggestion: 2 things from the top of my head:

  • SOFT keeps hitting RAW (RAW loses every time XP + gold), when RAW posts, his attacker the SOFT gets on SOFT BB and loses pvp xp + gold !!! while the RAW victim keeps losing levels his SOFT attacker keeps only losing pvp xp !!!!
  • RAW keeps hitting SOFT (SOFT loses every time only gold), when SOFT posts, his attacker the RAW gets on RAW BB and loses xp !!! while the SOFT victim keeps only losing gold the RAW attacker keeps losing xp + pvp rating + gold !!!!

do you see now why it is important to always get bountied on the victims BB !!!!

 

Just bring back the old ladder/pvp ratign system, ditch multi-bountying, bring back the previous pvp protection system and be done with it.

 

This just sounds of desperation in both concept and in tone of the intital post. People have made their own beds by getting personal with a browser based game. Good riddance and GG to the current PvP system.

I already explained this to will but here again:

 

as you said: Raw hits Soft for gold and only gets a Soft Bounty Board posting.

RAW loses pvp rating too on the soft Bounty Board BUT the bounty hunter who is on SOFT would not get the pvp rating from the RAW , he gets pvp xp rating (ratio currently unknown)

 

is that good for you? :)




#892128 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 01 October 2014 - 05:48

asking questions about why the removal of xp from all pvp related things is going to happen or why you / the FS community were not informed about this change regarding no xp loss or about karma or ...... I can honestly not give you an answer because I do not really know !!!!

 

please stay on topic and ask questions about this topic where I can give you an answer or contribute to this topic, thanks




#892109 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 01 October 2014 - 02:17

:P I cannot really see a good reason for them to change the pvp system that  has worked for years they gave players the option of pvp protection here but one way to get rid of the bullying here would be a simple opt in system that way those who want to pvp would not lose anything, just my opinion

HCS said that XP loss is going to be removed and this system here gives the players the choice to pick a PvP system they want to PvP in !!!!

those who want to lose XP in PvP can do that (RAW PvP) and those who do not want to lose XP in PvP can do that (SOFT PVP) too, this is a sollution smile.png that gives both parties what they want smile.png

 

if this system does not get approved then XP LOSS will be removed from all kinds of PvP sad.png

 

I am trying my best to let you guys understand the benefit of this great system where nobody is forced to play a PvP system he does not want to, it is a WIN - WIN for us all

 

please keep asking and I am more than happy to answer :)




#892099 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 01 October 2014 - 01:23

No, because it is not a good idea to separate out the masses into ultimately 2 different games... Also your Bounty system makes no sense, why would you lose the opposite Xp as the system your in? I doubt if your in the "Raw" system you would care or even have pvp xp to lose if posted for that...

the Bounty system makes sense :) maybe you did not understand it

 

will72 asked a similar question, here was my answer:

as you said: Raw hits Soft for gold and only gets a Soft Bounty Board posting.

RAW loses pvp rating too on the soft Bounty Board BUT the bounty hunter who is on SOFT would not get the pvp rating from the RAW , he gets pvp xp rating (ratio currently unknown)

 

is that good for you? :)

hope that answers your question if not then please ask




#892097 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 01 October 2014 - 01:18

Get the new system approved? Get tokens for what? We have not had new ladder sets since level 1400. What about karma? What about the new guild conflicts setup? What about Making FSH do what the options say that will do? What about new buffs? Been waiting over 600 levels for it. #1 should be GET RID OF THE LAG!

one step at a time, HCS have their hands full and are busy, buffs, karma, ...... are not topics of this thread, can you please stay on topic or post in another forum regarding these things you mentioned, thanks




#892089 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 01 October 2014 - 01:08

how would the medals work in this system (dominance, bounty hunter, smasher) ? would there be new ones maybe?

I think it is better to get this system approved by HCS and then decide on medal (old or new)

currently the most important thing is to give the players an understanding how this system works (the CHOICE they have) and to get HCS to approve of it  smile.png

 

after that we can discuss things like medals, rewards, tokens, .....

 

I believe the more people read and understand this system the more will like it smile.png this increases the chance to get the system approved by HCS

 

BigGrim told me that he, Zorg and Hoofmaster will be looking over this thread and will be then deciding what to do smile.png ( ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ thanks a lot ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ )

 

to all of you who want NO XP LOSS: this system gives you the choice to get what you want, it is really simple, just choose to opt-into the SOFT PvP and the problem is solved  smile.png

 

I respect your decision for NO XP LOSS in SOFT PvP system so please respect my decision too for XP LOSS in RAW PvP system

EVERYONE gets what he wants and is happy and is not that what we all want? smile.png




#892060 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 30 September 2014 - 23:44

That, my friend, works. :)

 

And please don't get me wrong, I too have misgivings about XP loss being removed from the game. It's been such an integral part of it and I fear what it's removal will do, player number wise. XP Loss appears to be something that is likely to go but ideas like yours may change the position if we thrash it out. Stranger things have happened, right? ;)

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

asking questions and answering them will help other players who are reading this topic understand this system better and I am very grateful to the players who ask questions, give their input and want to know more about this system, thank you will :)

 

to others posting that xp loss is going to be removed so why bother with this system or coming her just to bicker, you are not helping at all, please go and post in another topic

 

to all others, thank you :)




#892056 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 30 September 2014 - 23:30

Raw and Soft PvP?

I don't get it how can pvp be raw or soft... You just hit someone offline or unbuffed and drop down their whatever xp

It is all Player vs Player Victory or Defeat.

 

 

With this op suggestion i would call myself "Raw pvper"and i would like to hit for pvpxp because i know that im hitting another pvper who earned pvpxp by pvping.

not a player who doesnt engage in pvp with 0 pvpxp < this is the soft pvp!

 

 

 

I thought real pvp all about who snatch best gold hits ...

please guys, I only named them that way, if I had known the name raw and soft would be a problem then I would have called them XXXX & YYYY or A & B, the names are up to HCS to decide !!! I have no say in it, I only made a suggestion

changing the names RAW and SOFT now in my first post will only bring confusion !!! :blink:




#892054 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 30 September 2014 - 23:23

Raw hits Soft for gold and only gets a Soft Bounty Board posting. Yes, everyone is getting what they want from your system, lol.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

as you said: Raw hits Soft for gold and only gets a Soft Bounty Board posting.

RAW loses pvp rating too on the soft Bounty Board BUT the bounty hunter who is on SOFT would not get the pvp rating from the RAW , he gets pvp xp rating (ratio currently unknown)

 

is that good for you? :)




#892046 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 30 September 2014 - 22:58

I think people have forgotten the fact that the decision to take XP loss out of the game has already been made, whether rightly or wrongly.

 

The decision was made by the game Administrators based on feedback they had received, where this feedback came from, who knows as it was not from a public forum, perhaps it is based upon the increased levels of support tickets received, and having to be dealt with, by Biggrim.

 

I will miss XP Loss but ultimately if it means the lifespan of this game is prolonged then I am happy to accept the "loss" of XP Loss in PvP and move on.

the main point why xp loss had to be removed was because of bullying and the victims had no way to escape as long as there was xp loss, this system gives them an escape chance and solves the bullying issue PLUS gives us PvPers who want to pvp in our system, this is a WIN - WIN situation where everyone (pvpers and levelers) gets what he wants smile.png

 

this sollution (system) gets rid of the main problem (bullying) + is a WIN - WIN situation for both parties, I am sorry to my understanding if both parties get what they wanted (the "levelers" get their soft PvP with no xp loss and the "pvpers" get their raw PvP with xp loss) then there should be no problem at all !!!

can you please tell me what is wrong with everyone getting what they want in this system? I am sorry but I do not understand why someone would be against this, you have a decision, you can choose what PvP system you want to play, both systems are PvP with the only difference that you lose XP on the raw PvP system and you lose PvP XP on the soft PvP system




#892043 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 30 September 2014 - 22:44

This seems like an idea for the sake of an idea so we can have raw pvp as a title........ also this is like doubling the work load on the developers. But for what. Both groups can be catered for in XPpvp.

NO, you are misunderstaning things here, raw PvP does not get any xp pvp rating !!! raw pvp gets "pvp" rating (the name is up to HCS to decide) , soft pvp gets "xp pvp" rating , therse are 2 different kinds of ratings and that is why we have 2 different kinds of bounty boards (RAW BB and SOFT BB) please read my 1st post in this topic, it's written there

 

Also what happens to all the inactive accounts etc or people who don't log in. What ladder side are they on or are they perm opted out until log in. That will drain the number of participating accounts on both sides and with splitting hard and soft pvp ........ both ladders will be lesser.

I posted: """" Once this suggestion gets approved and then implemented you will be asked to choose a side (pvp system, raw PvP or soft PvP) after your next log-in under your preferences !!! """" that means upon your next log-in you will be asked to choose a side and if you are inactive and have not logged-in after the implementation then you will not be on any PvP system until your next log-in!!! (this is to counter farming inactives)




#892041 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 30 September 2014 - 22:27

Wait, now I'm a little confused about your idea Mary =P

I'll post here my new (and easier) idea, and you tell me what you think:

- 2 separated Ladders (Raw and Soft)
- You can Opt-In into the Raw Ladder, but you're always inside the Soft Ladder.
- A player who Opt-In the raw Ladder will be part of BOTH Ladders, and will gain/lose XP and PvPXP aswell.
- If player X on the RAW Ladder hits player Y on the Soft Ladder, player Y will lose Gold and PvPXP only.
- If player X hits player W at the Raw Ladder, player W will lose PvPXP and XP aswell.

- The rewards will be applied 1x for the Soft Ladder and 2x for the Raw Ladder, yes, same player can be 1st at both Ladder at the same time, receiving 3x the prizes.
- Open Ladder as we had in the past, maybe we can work on new PvP Ranges.

The Bounty Board:
- If you're on the Raw and hit a Soft for gold, he can post you, and you'll lose only PvPXP and Gold.
- if a Raw hit a Raw for gold, he can post you, and if the hitter is on the Raw too, you'll lose XP and PvPXP, if the hitter is on the Soft, you'll lose only PvPXP.
- Just to clearify, all hits should be able to be posted, like in the past.

Soft player hitting for gold:
- No Prestige on any Soft PvP hits (only players who lose XP should be able to get 10% XP bonus).
(No idea how to deal with that to be honest, how to prevent Soft Players who don't care about PvPXP to hit for gold all day?)

What you think about it?
 

this might look like a good idea at FIRST glance BUT if raw gets Pvp xp too then this can easily be EXPLOITED, for some pvpers the PvP xp holds hardly any value and they can "feed" their friend/s on the "soft" side with the pvp xp rating until the next reset and then change pvp systems so that this time the other one can "feed" him with pvp xp + I fear the bullying would still not be solved, besides I can see other EXPLOITS too :(




#891932 FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties

Posted by mary4ever on 30 September 2014 - 08:48

I'm still bemused by this new idea to be honest.

 

With the greatest respect, just how many players would stay in the "raw" side, when the majority of players would move to the "soft" side (in my opinion).

there is a high chance that most players will move to the "soft" side (specially new players) because one of the 2 biggest reasons is that there is no xp loss + it is a totally new system they want to try out

 

All that would be left on the "raw" side are the hard-core PvP'rs who would only have themselves left to attack. OK, that would prove much more challenging to them, but are there sufficient numbers for that to still be a viable option ?

it is impossible for me or anyone to know for sure but I can tell you this that many players I talked to (not only pvpers, others too) said they would choose the "raw" side , only time will tell us for sure

 

Somehow, I doubt it ..






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