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[Windbattle]

I found Octo Spine to be helpful from 350 to 400, and the shield i'm still using to level from 400 to 450 at least.

EDIT: I will be making some changes in the near future. Thanks for the helpful suggestions.

[Windbattle]

A compete hunt guide has to include what buffs to use, and at high levels may involve gear and buff changes for each monster. Just knowing what gear to use isn't enough. For example, see the Hunt Guide for Levels 150 to 259 at http://www.knotguildy.webs.com/ --we have two publicly-available hunt guides at the Knot Guildy website.

Lawdog, the point of the guide is to give you a STEP in the right direction. It would be VERY COMPLICATED to list all the proper buffs and potions you should use at a particular level gap. Also, there would be a lot of disagreement over which buffs and potions you should get, because people will use slightly different hunting set-ups.

This is why I did not include buffs and potions with this guide.

Also, people should LEARN what each buff does. I know FAR too many NOOB higher levels that don't have a CLUE what some buffs do.

I appreciate you linking up your guild's guide for leveling and buffs with this one. I hope this thread is a one stop shop for levelers.

[Windbattle]

Even with BZ350 and level 175 buffs, this setup leaves you two-hitting almost all the monsters (except Undead) from 188 to 215 anywhere from 15% to 50% of the time. That extra stamina expense means less gold and less XP per hunt. Probably you'd have made enough additional gold to easily buy the imps if you had used a higher-damage rig (Boots of Pelacroz, Marpolo Armor) and you'd get the extra XP as well.

Lawdog, your wrong! It seems like your just trying to put down my guide at this point. Have you actually done the math?

I say this because I have personally used that set-up and KNOW that it 1 hits. The set-up (Cu Sith Set + Cursed Samurai Set + Banshee Armor + Samaels Void Boots) gives you enough attack and damage to 1 hit, while providing enough armor to take a counter hit from levels 180 to 215.

I assume your using DD, a low level of CA (possibly), KE, Fury, and Berserk with this set-up. You might be able to get away without having to use CA, if you get EW and EA. Obviously that is not all the buffs you will need, but the important ones for damage and attack.

[Windbattle]

Personally I don't see the big deal with using a small level of CA. Yes, you spend more stamina per hit, however you would spend more stamina anyways with a 2 or 3 hit set-up.

To illustrate, I will give an example. Person A is 1 hitting with CA 50, using doubler 750. Person A is using 18 stamina per hit (16 from doubler + 2 more from CA). At the end of combat, Person A used 18 stamina to get 1 kill. On the other hand, Person B is 2 hitting with NO CA, using doubler 750. Person B is using 16 stamina per hit (16 from doubler). At the end of combat, Person B used 32 stamina to get 1 kill.

See why getting CA is a good idea, 8). The only thing better than person A is someone who can 1 hit WITHOUT having to use CA OR a person 1 hitting using CA 25.

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The other benefit of using a small CA is the fact that you will use LESS SSI with a suicide set-up. If you 2 or 3 hit, your much more likely to die in combat.

***Ideally, you don't want to use CA at all, because you can kill more guys in a hunt without it (assuming your 1 hitting without CA). However for some level gaps, that simply isn't going to happen. You can get very expensive potions and a lot of buffs to 1 hit during those small gaps, however that is dumb for most people (unless you are in a very rich guild).

Therefore, I recommend getting CA to 1 hit during those tough leveling gaps OR simply stay at the previous map and skip over the tough map, where you can't 1 hit.

[Windbattle]

Wow, you have taken into account creature's enhancements. I don't bother, because SSI will take care of it. On ALL my hunts, I use 2 to 4 hp of an imp,so I never use a full imp. However, I use SW, FS, LD, and other buffs to reduce the chance of using an imp in the first place.

I really like this part of your response:

1-hitting is about max kills per stamina spent. Unnecessary reliance on stamina-using CA defeats the purpose of it.

I 100% agree, however sometimes you need to use CA. Otherwise, you end up getting a lot of potions and buffs to do the same thing that CA would have done (raise your attack and damage in order to 1 hit). That was my point.

I know you were just trying to help, I appreciate that.

Also, I would greatly appreciate advise on 1 hitting for level 400+. If you could post a link or post the set-ups, I would be in your debt, as would most of the players looking at this thread for advise.

[Windbattle]

Well, personally I will get every potion and buff possible NOT to use CA, but I am not afraid to use it if I have to. I basically get everything else, then see if there is a stat gap. If there is, I plug in CA. I make it simple that way.

[Windbattle]

HAHA, well every buff within reason. I am not buying IF or ES either. It isn't needed. I mainly use DC 225, Berserk 350, LIB 225, UB 190, EA 200, DB 750 or 1200 (when in xinderoth), BT 250, Fury 200, EW 1000 or 1500 (usually 1000, 1500 is really expensive) for CORE POTIONS.

I like to use FS 200, Assist 150, and WITH 350 as OPTIONAL POTIONS, if I have the extra gold to spend.

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